It's that time again. After quite a frustrating season of matches for many of the Omega teams it would be nice to have a solid season of teams that don't dissintegrate before/just after their first match. The farm teams were the surprising thing this season as well as the number of delta caliber players moving down to play in Omega. Sure none of them were the best players in Delta but you can't disregard the impact they made in Omega.
So I was thinking since it is now shortly going to be off season there is no better time to encourage the creation of new Omega clans and help them out a bit. I would like to hear suggestions from you fine folk as to what we can do to not only get more teams playing this season, but to help them stay in competetive play.
I personally would be willing to enlarge my ventrillo server to host voice for any teams that need it if need be, and a server to scrim on. I'm not sure if Dirm or whoever fixed the scrim server bot up yet for #findscrimns but more servers for it would be cool.
Full Version: Cal Needs More Teams
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Actually, we need more delta teams. All the omega teams can't be in delta and 2 teams need to be moved down.
Hopefully if we groom the Omega players enough we can steal them for Delta and make more teams. Delta has been just a constant shuffle of players back and forth for quite a few seasons with the better teams (Terror and Exigent) having the largest quantity that have stuck with them. I would put up either of their rosters against a "dream team" of the top Delta players from other clans and still put my money on Terror or Exigent. Plus they keep picking up more of the better players as clans die/reshuffle, like God or Pneumatic.
The only way to really make more teams for Delta that would stand a chance would be to draft all the rosters or shuffle them around and no one would want to do that. Either that or wait a couple more seasons for better players to emerge.
The only way to really make more teams for Delta that would stand a chance would be to draft all the rosters or shuffle them around and no one would want to do that. Either that or wait a couple more seasons for better players to emerge.
Yo, help out aeRO.
One of the problems is that omega has become too high level in terms of how compeditive it is. Farm teams that stand a chance in the omega ranks are far and few between, and it is compeditive to the point that omega level teams are wary of recruiting pub players because most pub players can't hold a candle to many of the nubbier omega level players. Seems like the delta teams don't have enough quality players these days to self support that side of the league either... but I don't know much about that problem. Cwag has been trying to put together a new delta team for next season, and from what I've heard it's a pretty frustrating experiance.
I'd love to see a cal draft tourny held sometime just for the fun of it. That would be an experiance to say the least.
I'd love to see a cal draft tourny held sometime just for the fun of it. That would be an experiance to say the least.
Well one of the things that hurts is too much drama. One thing I thought I would NEVER see is Refract on the ropes, but guess what, it's happened.
Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down.
Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down.
Everybody wants to say it. Just break up terror and exi. It would be like anti-trust monopoly laws, where winning is market share.
On a serious note, farm teams and mentors seem to be the best way to do things.
On a serious note, farm teams and mentors seem to be the best way to do things.
| QUOTE (Raz @ Jun 20 2005, 06:29 AM) |
| Well one of the things that hurts is too much drama. One thing I thought I would NEVER see is Refract on the ropes, but guess what, it's happened. Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down. |
QFT.
I do believe this is one of the things that makes it intimidating for upcoming players, knowing people can watch you on HLTV. Add in all the Flayra and Nem smurfs and it's pretty annoying. Just having text off for HLTV helps out a lot, that way they can talk trash on IRC instead of on the HLTV recording.
I agree that the "drama" and mockery has a very intimidating effect on both new competitive players and existing ones. And it is also one of the most annoying things when spectating a HLTV match.
Helping new players while cutting down on the mockery of both seasoned and new players alike could help a lot.
But then, there are those who enjoy behaving badly and will probably mock this opinion too.
Helping new players while cutting down on the mockery of both seasoned and new players alike could help a lot.
But then, there are those who enjoy behaving badly and will probably mock this opinion too.
Much mockery directed at you tankefugl!
| QUOTE (tankefugl @ Jun 20 2005, 09:20 AM) |
| I agree that the "drama" and mockery has a very intimidating effect on both new competitive players and existing ones. And it is also one of the most annoying things when spectating a HLTV match. Helping new players while cutting down on the mockery of both seasoned and new players alike could help a lot. But then, there are those who enjoy behaving badly and will probably mock this opinion too. |
Well, I think that a lot of it comes down to certain positions carrying more weight than others. Comm, fade, and to lesser extents pressure marine and lerk, are all positions that have more influential effects on the game than others. There is a small group of people that do these positions near perfectly and then there is the rest of the world.
Its really easy to point out when a fade or a comm messes up, but nobody ever notices the capper that dies all game without getting nodes up, or the gorge that dies before the 3rd chamber gets dropped.
So yeah, its harder to step into the spotlight positions because you're scrutinized like that. People wonder why there is a shortage of good comms. Its because its too damn nerve wracking to get in the chair.
I almost miss those days of being nervous playing the good teams :/
In my opinion Delta is about to either take a huge blow or some how keep the 10 teams they have now. Because in my honest eyes only really 5 teams truely belong there.
In my opinion Delta is about to either take a huge blow or some how keep the 10 teams they have now. Because in my honest eyes only really 5 teams truely belong there.
| QUOTE (tjosan @ Jun 20 2005, 03:26 PM) |
| Much mockery directed at you tankefugl! |
Damn you, mockingbird!
If you guys really get your feelings hurt from a bunch of random people making fun of you I really dont think any sort of sport or competitive play is for you. *Cough Ron Artest*
Unsupportive clans really does hurt ns though. Next time you play a team that you completely roll over, tell them what they did wrong even if they dont want to hear it. And please for the love of god dont ever sit there and spawn camp them in their hive. If you do get a spawncamp going by yourself just walk out of the hive and make the game more fun for the other teams.
Unsupportive clans really does hurt ns though. Next time you play a team that you completely roll over, tell them what they did wrong even if they dont want to hear it. And please for the love of god dont ever sit there and spawn camp them in their hive. If you do get a spawncamp going by yourself just walk out of the hive and make the game more fun for the other teams.
Its not that feelings get hurt really, its that people don't like failing. And you have to fail a whole lot at ns before you stop failing at all, even just once and a while. Some positions have bigger senses of success and failure than others because of their disproportionate impact on the outcome of the game.
People only don't want to get in those spots if they can't have the success that comes along with doing them well. That success only comes after countless countless failures.
People only don't want to get in those spots if they can't have the success that comes along with doing them well. That success only comes after countless countless failures.
its really cool to have the mandatory hltv **** that consume a keyboard per match just with the OLOLOL FADEDOWN spam, but its also one of the reasons this community is a retarted one.
especially when they mock a team they wont play because theyre afraid of losing. rofl.
especially when they mock a team they wont play because theyre afraid of losing. rofl.
forget it
more farm teams
Disabling HLTV chat is one way of solving some of the problems 
When playing a match I personally never think or want to think about how many people are watching or what they are saying if you get your mind off the game you start to make stupid mistakes. But for newer teams hltvs can mess with the minds of players simply because they are constantly thinking if i screw up everyone is going to laugh and it will huant me for a few weeks. I was helping fae for the last few weeks and I think they really improved under my watch, but they asked me what people were saying about them on the hltv and I simply said it doesnt matter.
You dont need to disable the chat, it can be done by a user, let the tards talk **** about all the people that are better then them because they have no skill of their own, it is what they live for.
You dont need to disable the chat, it can be done by a user, let the tards talk **** about all the people that are better then them because they have no skill of their own, it is what they live for.
Hey, I never get mocked on HLTV, and tbh it sucks... only e-cool people and a few exceptions gets mocked on hltv.
| QUOTE (2 of Eight @ Jun 20 2005, 01:15 PM) |
| Disabling HLTV chat is one way of solving some of the problems |
no its rather fine as is
its not like anyone watches omega matches anyway honestly
I like to think about it as a big close knit community where, while there are **** that demean people for no good reason, most people are just fooling around and don't really think that someone is a horrible player just because they got telefragged or died as fade within 20 seconds *cough Duo cough*.
There is absolutely no reason to take any of that stuff seriously. I mean if I get knifed in a match or something I would expect everyone to laugh at me because that would be hilarious and I know I'll be laughing.
There is absolutely no reason to take any of that stuff seriously. I mean if I get knifed in a match or something I would expect everyone to laugh at me because that would be hilarious and I know I'll be laughing.
Arc said it was 45 seconds. Atleast I got a few jper's before we died :O
Plus it was my first game alllllll day
Plus it was my first game alllllll day
Duo is cut.
I'm fine with most of it, I just don't like the BS. I'd still be in the scene if every clan that I go to breaks up because of bad leadership.
I posted a similar thread on the cal forums. I would like to get a meeting set up with the top omega/ delta teams together on a vent channel to discuss branching out and making new farm teams. That way CAL could make a 3rd division, of just new teams.
But at this point no one has replied to me on IRC so, I doubt that it will happen. I tried!
But at this point no one has replied to me on IRC so, I doubt that it will happen. I tried!
Terror's farm team can be called Mild Discomfort
trepidation would be better. also, you learn to ignore the fact people are speccing you. i was worried about sucking playing my first full match as a motw. now i realize ill suck with or without specs, so i just play.
i think teams that enter cal on ther own accord are mostly likely to fail.
so when next season when teams pop that you never heard of make an effort to offer them some help and mentoring. farms teams are the way to go offering more support, but some would probally like to keep there own identity.
helping new teams get over the intial hurdle of basic knowledge and pointing out faulty strategy goes far.
alos there's alot of servers outhere with regulars.. let talk to some of them an affer them ventrilo space and some mentoring to compete in cal.
so when next season when teams pop that you never heard of make an effort to offer them some help and mentoring. farms teams are the way to go offering more support, but some would probally like to keep there own identity.
helping new teams get over the intial hurdle of basic knowledge and pointing out faulty strategy goes far.
alos there's alot of servers outhere with regulars.. let talk to some of them an affer them ventrilo space and some mentoring to compete in cal.
one of the biggest difference between ns and cs is that the ns community is based on extreme hatred. honestly, go on an HLTV for a good cs match, if someone aces the other team its like OMG AWESOME KILLZ LIEK WOW! on ns, noone ever says WOW LEET SHOTGUNNING OF THAT FADE OMG WICKED SWEET FADE KILL! instead its LOLOL NUB FADE TBH GG NUB DOWN GAME OVER GGGGG NUB FADE
wheres the <3
wheres the <3
| QUOTE (Quaunaut @ Jun 20 2005, 06:02 PM) |
| I'm fine with most of it, I just don't like the BS. I'd still be in the scene if every clan that I go to breaks up because of bad leadership. |
It's remarkably easy to lead a team. Start your own, there's a fair few omega players idling around looking for a team.
Even I can do it, doodz.
(Why do I get the distinct feeling I'm setting myself up for a burn?)
(Why do I get the distinct feeling I'm setting myself up for a burn?)
| QUOTE (SaltzBad @ Jun 21 2005, 10:31 AM) |
| Even I can do it, doodz. (Why do I get the distinct feeling I'm setting myself up for a burn?) |
You call it a team, I call it a reem!
OMGZ ROFFLE
The problem is that the leader quickly ends up being the guy getting matches, making people play, defending the clan publicly often with little to no support of his team and most importantly is the guy who HAS to be active 24/7 and keep the clan together during hard times. Its a 24/7 job, and few people except those already good at the game (read: extremely addicted) feel like taking the time.
That's why few new teams survive a full season, because at the sign of first trouble a new clan ALWAYS goes somewhat inacive, and without a maniac to lead them the clan will die.
That's why few new teams survive a full season, because at the sign of first trouble a new clan ALWAYS goes somewhat inacive, and without a maniac to lead them the clan will die.
| QUOTE (tjosan @ Jun 21 2005, 11:29 AM) |
| without a maniac to lead them the clan will die. |
quoted for undeniable truth ;D
| QUOTE (Swiftspear @ Jun 21 2005, 10:15 AM) |
| It's remarkably easy to lead a team. Start your own, there's a fair few omega players idling around looking for a team. |
Please lead me to this holy grail of idling omega players, because I haven't found any yet
I find it extremely difficult to start a new Omega team, keep people active and do well. I had it going for a while this year and thought "Wow, I did it, we got it and are on our way..." Two weeks later = no team at all. (Thanks GoD for all you work trying to help use out 
)
Also, there is a lot of hate. I think it's because it is truly difficult to becomse AWESOME at NS. CS, you just learn to aim with recoil. NS is so much more than that. I think there is a lot of jealousy, ie. flame Duo for dying on PG. But seriously, who has not been so consumed with saving hive or some **** like that that they forget themselves and die on PG.... That's right, all of us have. We as a community need to get a sense of unity.
)Also, there is a lot of hate. I think it's because it is truly difficult to becomse AWESOME at NS. CS, you just learn to aim with recoil. NS is so much more than that. I think there is a lot of jealousy, ie. flame Duo for dying on PG. But seriously, who has not been so consumed with saving hive or some **** like that that they forget themselves and die on PG.... That's right, all of us have. We as a community need to get a sense of unity.
| QUOTE (tjosan @ Jun 21 2005, 11:29 AM) |
| The problem is that the leader quickly ends up being the guy getting matches, making people play, defending the clan publicly often with little to no support of his team and most importantly is the guy who HAS to be active 24/7 and keep the clan together during hard times. Its a 24/7 job, and few people except those already good at the game (read: extremely addicted) feel like taking the time. That's why few new teams survive a full season, because at the sign of first trouble a new clan ALWAYS goes somewhat inacive, and without a maniac to lead them the clan will die. |
The leader of every clan I have ever been in has disapeared at one time or another and everyone else just takes over, the leader isnt really that important I would say.
| QUOTE (Raz @ Jun 20 2005, 06:29 AM) |
| Well one of the things that hurts is too much drama. One thing I thought I would NEVER see is Refract on the ropes, but guess what, it's happened. Also, the constant bashing really needs to stop. When I was watching an HLTV match on the weekend, the absolute mockery placed on Aero was pretty sickening. Respect the other NS players unless you actually have reason not to, for God's sake. I love this game, but when I hear there's people mocking me in my playoff match just because I'm nervous as Hell and doing badly, it really gets me down. |
I agree with a ton of what's been said in the thread, this included.. A big problem is when someone insults the clan, like aero during that exi vs reflect match. It's one thing when someone insults you, but when they insult people you're talking with on a regular basis and stuff...meh, we're all a little vain and proud. As to what somewhat said about getting the teams ventrilo, console has been great to us offering a few channels on theirs.
We (the hopefully up and coming FAT team) pulled three scrims today, two of which were definitely helpful. We had a third where a bunch of players smurfed with a ATHF theme and poorly conceived clan tag which gave it away early, but we continued playing anyway figuring it might be somehow helpful lest we be branded "rage quitters". One guy text spams the whole scrim, clearly trying to make somebody angry. After the first fade dies, they just stop higher lifeforms altogether and all go lerk to humor us. They make OC walls outside base and just basically swoop in, gas, maybe kill a guy, and never really end the obviously over game. Some lol's and a gorge rush later (either that or I'm sure we'd have been humored with some more knifing), I just had a bad taste in my mouth. Not angry, just I dunno...disturbed, maybe?
It was all for fun (we didn't mean to upset anyone, the guy spamming was spamming team chat more than he was in mm1) and lerks help your aim a lot (especially since almost every clan goes early lerk nowadays.) Also, lerks are higher lifeforms =P
We were bored and you guys wouldn't scrim us the first time, even though you really should. Scrimming better teams helps you improve more than anything. It might be frustrating at first, but after you start pulling rounds off on them, it's very satisfying to see your hard work pay off.
We were bored and you guys wouldn't scrim us the first time, even though you really should. Scrimming better teams helps you improve more than anything. It might be frustrating at first, but after you start pulling rounds off on them, it's very satisfying to see your hard work pay off.
i wouldnt call 20-1 "maybe getting a kill" either but we had fun. it was a scrim. no need to get all worked up over it. :/
Like I said I'm not angry, but come on, all you did was humor us. Which is why we didn't want to scrim you before you smurfed. There's a difference between playing a better clan and playing a clan that will just stomp on you. I can easily make the parallel between two scrims we had today. One was helpful, one was not. You can ask anybody on our team. I can only imagine how much fun stomping was though 
The reason competitive scene is dieing is because whats the point in getting good and playing in delta when you know you'll never win because there will always be terror and exi who don't hardly scrim at all and end up owning you still. You get a sense of hopelessness and end up quitting anyway.
you start to get a signal when exi wins 3 times already and terror won once and is about to win another since their more active. I wonder whats gonna happen in season 7? oh right exi or terror is gonna win.
Like router said break up terror and exi
you start to get a signal when exi wins 3 times already and terror won once and is about to win another since their more active. I wonder whats gonna happen in season 7? oh right exi or terror is gonna win.
Like router said break up terror and exi
That's funny because LoC took rounds off both Terror and Exigent this season and they were in Omega last season. Obscure and Reflect were both in Omega the season before and both teams made it to the semi-finals. Next season is a fresh start and who knows what will happen.
Terror and Exigent aren't really that much better than other delta teams. They have their weaknesses just like any other clan does. Just because they've been around a long time doesn't mean they're unstoppable.
| QUOTE (Splinter Steve? @ Jun 21 2005, 09:41 PM) |
| Like I said I'm not angry, but come on, all you did was humor us. Which is why we didn't want to scrim you before you smurfed. There's a difference between playing a better clan and playing a clan that will just stomp on you. |
nah, i think everyone should play everyone and not worry about it. theyre just scrims.
i dont think the problem is so big in america as it is in the eu: basically youve got knife to play, with maybe someone else once a week if youre lucky. i know its summer but its been like this for months. clans that have just started or dont feel very self-confident just wont play a team that has lots of names in it and/or is ranked in the higher divisions.
I remember when we took our first round off ariadne, one of the best EU clans around at the time. We must of lost 50 times before that happened and there weren't no sweeter feeling than finally winning one. Oh those were the days
| QUOTE (MrBen @ Jun 22 2005, 06:11 AM) |
| I remember when we took our first round off ariadne, one of the best EU clans around at the time. |
lol
but yea, I remember the first time taking a round off old torment that was pretty good
yeah, i remember when `bs. tied dn on lost. that was awesome for us, it was like we'd won cal playoffs or something.
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