aliens max out at 8 levels, marines at 10.

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why

you have to do the math here lvl 3 hmg+ lvl 2armored jpr + resupply is basicaly what most marines go for that would meant that the aliens players would have 2 less points to counter a jpr ( and belive you me those things are brutal to take down)

Eh... if this is a game tweak to make combat more balanced, there are better ways to fix this. If anything, this seems to be one of those 'server-side' patches for combat.

I rather have combat completely redone with some suggestions here. Reducing the levels would just... well... it seems 'cheap' to balance it that way.

Level 8 still gets you:
onos + cara + redemption + celerity (or stomp) which needs to be fix in my opinion.

dont forget that around the same time you get onos jprs start maikng there aperance

I say 7.
3 chamber upgrades + Onos, or 3 chamber upgrades + a few hive attacks + some small lifeform.
I think this would be very helpful in balancing combat, if that'll ever happen
Thumbs up.

ok then max 6-7 levels for marines to

That would make more sense Swifty.

The whole idea balances on the fact of which team to increase/decrease points from. I still think CO is perfectly balanced - each point gets you an upgrade, same with the Marines. If anything, the Marines should be under powered.

thats horrible, there are better ways to balance CO.

like having less aliens playlers (j/K)

swiftspear has got it right there. it's ridiculous that aliens are "defensive" and have that timelimit when they can go uber fades and oni while marines are just as well off as when they play NS classic

id love to see the max marine levels reduced too btw. maybe max 8 for marines and 6/5 for aliens?

co isnt just about "practising", you dont need to practice a stomp+focus onos.

The redicoulus thing with combat is that it has the time limit at all.

If anything, the game should be draw after the limit, but this changes nothing.

It was introduced so that the Aliens have a point to work their ladder up instead of facing Marines, that get better outfited wave after wave.
The main problem is, that there is actualy no midgame.
When the round starts, everything is crap, for marines as for aliens.
When the first levels roll in, players get their favourite upgrades, and become already uber.
(a skilled skulk can pretty much own everything with cara, cele and silence, maybe sof and regen - same with a marine with MT, Resup, W1 & SG...)

I would say that the only thing in Co that needs changes is that you face overmighty foes or weenies...
There is absolutely no fun with humiliating the enemy with a half-serious wipeout action... And: it annoys the losing team badly.

More then once the aliens on my regular server are holding out 10-20 Minutes w/o being able to fight to the cc or the marines being able to reach the hive (thanks to a few good gorges) - Ok, its a 50lvl 40 minutes server, but that changes nothing. A 9-upgrade-3-hive-onos or -fade is anyway weaker then a jp-wu3-au3-sg-or-hmg marine with MT and/or scan.


The sole problem with CO is that once it starts up to be fun (explosions, big guns, creatures and stuff show up), the game is already over
'cause the hive goes down or the cc does.

If people played with 10 levels I'd be all for further investigating this..

But too many of the servers play with the 50 level plugins which would remove this change again...

So until the number of 50 level servers comes way down this is a pipe dream..

People think fades/onos and hmg's/GL's are what makes combat fun (big gun syndrome) and servers running the 50 level plugin give those people what they want.. which reduces the liklihood of them ever playing regular NS...


Sad really..

Servers already have plugins for making max levels. I am sure a plugin could be written to make it a variable for both teams...

That is too easy to implement with a plugin.

I don't think you can balance co correctly with each side having different max levels. However I think you should start at level 0, and end up getting to actually have 10 upgrade points, on both sides. That way you're level 10, you acutally spent 10 points to get there. Makes sense to me, and it will balance it out more cause I find often as marine when I'm maxed at 10, I could use that extra point badly.

Scrap the 8 lvl aliens.

If you've noticed the trend in combat.........some of the VERY VERY popular co servers run extralevels2 plugin. This means people want more lvls and more upgrades.

I'm sorry you are trying to tweak the game to YOUR specifications, but the fact is, people want co to be more than classic's biotch.

Extralevels2 still plays great if everyone is decent and knows how to use the new upgrades effectively.

ONCE AGAIN:

Stop trying to make CO classic's biznatch!

People love combat and want it to be more than vanilla 10 levels. There is nothing wrong with "big gun syndrome". The modns community can only do so much to keep this game alive. Why not hard code some of the modded content right into the game?

I love NS and CO. I've played since '02. However, I play extralevels2 combat 90% of the time. It's just more fun, less frustrating, and more rewarding for me.

Set it free!

ALRIGHT NO MORE ARGUING ABOUT PLUGINS IN THIS THREAD. I swear, I'm going TO KILL SOMEONE if I hear ANOTHER thing about HOW PLUGINS ARE KILLING NS. GOD.