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So yeah I got this idea for a carbine that's a very simple design mostly pressed metal but still looks stylish. The most prominent features of it are the magazine and P-90 style handle and trigger. Basically you take a P-90 grip and cut the back half off which the bottom of the magazine clips onto so It makes two solid "loops". The top has some long angular looking iron sights hence the "sharky lmg" (yeah it's a crappy name, but i couldn't think of anything better and it seemed to fit). Take whatever liberties you feel nessisary when putting in details, like the fire selection switch and such. And please don't mind the crappy MSpaint design .
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*blink* The top looks like a Garand, or a KAR, and the bottom looks like a Star Trek thing.
now thats looks simple
how are you supposed to hold that..or reload it..? seriously... no offense
its utterly crappy , and way out of proportion. at the moment you cant do not more than use it as a club... this concept looks more like a doodle, its way to random to be something with an idea behind it, its more like the result of some random placed lines "uhuh..that looks kinda cool".. it lacks all common sense :-/ sorry . i dont want to pull you down. aww i act like a **** again... but i could also act a bit less honest , and say stuff like "whoa..cool.. i like it...a bit" i dont know... what do you want to hear?...
the only constructive thing i could say is that you really should take a closer look to existing weapons, study the ergonomics, mechanics (i dont mean you should create a new science) if you want to create a pistol handle or similar you should at least have a idea of how it feels in your hand, if it is comfortable...if you break your hands when firing it (or when trying to)
sorry, seriously, nothing against yourself. aww... i feel like such an **** again...
now i have a bad conscience..
heres something i spent some minutes on ... now when its 3d, i hope you can see what is missing
its utterly crappy , and way out of proportion. at the moment you cant do not more than use it as a club... this concept looks more like a doodle, its way to random to be something with an idea behind it, its more like the result of some random placed lines "uhuh..that looks kinda cool".. it lacks all common sense :-/ sorry . i dont want to pull you down. aww i act like a **** again... but i could also act a bit less honest , and say stuff like "whoa..cool.. i like it...a bit" i dont know... what do you want to hear?...
the only constructive thing i could say is that you really should take a closer look to existing weapons, study the ergonomics, mechanics (i dont mean you should create a new science) if you want to create a pistol handle or similar you should at least have a idea of how it feels in your hand, if it is comfortable...if you break your hands when firing it (or when trying to)
sorry, seriously, nothing against yourself. aww... i feel like such an **** again...
now i have a bad conscience..
heres something i spent some minutes on ... now when its 3d, i hope you can see what is missing
I dont mean to be rude or anything but I just want to point out that the excessive explanation of why his very simple idea and design is utterly crappy is very pointless. Its a simple design, now its up to the modeler to make it a tad bit more ergonomic, he aint a professional arms designer now is he? Be a bit nicer would you. Me myself, id say its a pretty neat design, I agree its not that ergonomic, but its an interresting concept. Would it be okay of I try to model this and hopefully make it more ergonomic for easier usage? Its still only a game, and I doubt that the marine holding that rifle would complain, right? 
Thanks for the feedback, and you're right there was very little thought in this. It is just a doodle like I said take liberties with what you want to. I was just throwing out an idea. If you want to change some things around to make it a better gun be my guest, it's only a concept and somethings need to be changed for a "finished" product.
The thing that I think is wrong most with the picture is that it doesn't look much like the P-90 design (how I intended it).
http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_parts.jpg
And the magazine attaching to the gun is not meant to be practical this is just a fantasy weapon. I wanted to mix the design of the FN P-90 and the FAMAS a little. With that in mind maybe it'll be a little more clear what I inteded with this concept.
The thing that I think is wrong most with the picture is that it doesn't look much like the P-90 design (how I intended it).
http://world.guns.ru/smg/fn_p90_parts.jpg
And the magazine attaching to the gun is not meant to be practical this is just a fantasy weapon. I wanted to mix the design of the FN P-90 and the FAMAS a little. With that in mind maybe it'll be a little more clear what I inteded with this concept.
oohh.. a famas-p90 bastard.. yeah, sure, i know what you mean
So anyone want to take a shot at it now?
How's about an update. Approximate sizing and just a shadow image so it leaves more to the imagination. But like I said my initial idea was for a carbine rifle that is simple and stylish. Bigger and more acurate than an smg. Thanks to anyone who'll do this.
now that looks more handy
that stock looks pretty... pointy D:
make it a flat stock at the end and you got yourself a winner
make it a flat stock at the end and you got yourself a winner
| QUOTE (Omega Death @ Jun 10 2005, 01:38 AM) |
How's about an update. Approximate sizing and just a shadow image so it leaves more to the imagination. But like I said my initial idea was for a carbine rifle that is simple and stylish. Bigger and more acurate than an smg. Thanks to anyone who'll do this. |
now its even worse. you waste all the space you gained by using the bullpup construction with this barrel XD
time to get some engineers involved.
its not the best idea to try to design a weapon without having any idea how weapons work. trust me. but thats what sheena is here for anyways
haha excuse me for laughing, but who cares about functionality and practicallity in a gameweapon? Well, except for the gunfreaks who try to show off with their more or less useless knowlage of armstechs? I think that weapon looks really nice, im not a fan of the P90 though, but its an interresting concept. I am currently working on the General Grevious project. There's a thread in the ns customization forum, but as soon as I've got time I'll give that one a shot. I really like the overall concept, but I might make 2 models if that is alright, one original, and one slightly changed one, without the P90 aspects. I'd need a bit more details though, just modeling after that black concept would be hard. Perhaps you can draw some better details or ask someone more experienced (no offense) to do it, to give it a better deep and such.
| QUOTE (worghowl @ Jun 10 2005, 07:15 AM) |
| haha excuse me for laughing, but who cares about functionality and practicallity in a gameweapon? Well, except for the gunfreaks who try to show off with their more or less useless knowlage of armstechs? |
coincidence cares.
you cant oversee it if you deal with technical stuff all the day.
so you are one of the "as far as it is good looking." faction.
well there may be some more of the "if it doesnt LOOK like its gonna work for real, its just crap!" people like you would possibly imagine... because this people make shure we dont have to deal with something like this in future:
(weapons "used" in alien 4)
besides calling people freaks is pretty much dangerous. Im shure you have the same amount of "more or less useless" knowlage but in another domain. some people call it hobby.
I apologize if you found my statement offending, I was just pointing out a fact that has made gaming possible, and that is imagination. And occasionally imagination and functionality aint compatible. I agree with you that different individuals have different kinds of hobbies, and that there is always someone who means that your hobby is pointless. But that wasnt what I meant, again I apologize if thats how it appeared. I meant that when it comes to gaming, you have to put aside your common sense and let your imagination do the work. Its a bonus if you kept something functional and pratical, while its futuristic or cool. But I belive that we should mainly focus on what looks good in a game, and not whats functional. But we're all different, I just told people my opinion, maybe it was harsh, and I apologize for that. 
While it does have to have a sense of functionality when you model a weapon you don't create every nook and cranny in the gun. When was the last time some one animated and modelled the hammer and pin inside of a rifle for a game? I always went on the assumption that it worked inside there and that was all that I needed. While I'm blanketting a group of skulks or a hive with bullets I don't stop to wonder the innerworkings of my rifle and wiether it's going to jam or not. NS isn't about realism, the fact that the player is a "Space Marine" fighting "Space Aliens" in space makes this a game of SciFi fantasy. If you want more realism go play America's Army.
well,I beleive in several things.One,does it look realistic,if not is it designed to be humorous?If not,crap.If it does look realistic,we go to the next step.
Does it look like it'll function as a model?I.E. does it have the vital parts?Magizine,yes.Way to hold it,yes.trigger,yes.If any say no,CRAP.Next step.
Is it susposed to look realistic?If yes,proceed to step 4.If no go to step 5.
Step 4:Does it look like it'll function in real life since it's susposed to look realistic.If not caseless,does the ejection port look phesable?Does it look semi-ergonomic?Does the barrel look long enough to count as a semi-accurate weapon?Does it look like something you could see a soldier run around with?If any of these are no,FAIL!.
Step 5:If the animations are correct,the model is judged on looks and either passed by fellow forum goers,or it fails at life.
feel free to add steps,and or add details.This could be a nice sticky!
Does it look like it'll function as a model?I.E. does it have the vital parts?Magizine,yes.Way to hold it,yes.trigger,yes.If any say no,CRAP.Next step.
Is it susposed to look realistic?If yes,proceed to step 4.If no go to step 5.
Step 4:Does it look like it'll function in real life since it's susposed to look realistic.If not caseless,does the ejection port look phesable?Does it look semi-ergonomic?Does the barrel look long enough to count as a semi-accurate weapon?Does it look like something you could see a soldier run around with?If any of these are no,FAIL!.
Step 5:If the animations are correct,the model is judged on looks and either passed by fellow forum goers,or it fails at life.
feel free to add steps,and or add details.This could be a nice sticky!
So sheena yanai (or anyone else) feel like taking a shot at it now?
Chubi Chan, your post is nearly impossible to read, my eyes get **** off at me for trying to read that and then they punch my brain and it hurts so much.
| QUOTE (worghowl @ Jun 11 2005, 05:27 AM) |
| Chubi Chan, your post is nearly impossible to read, my eyes get **** off at me for trying to read that and then they punch my brain and it hurts so much. |
no its funny XD (hardly understood what he is talking about)
worghowl we are not talking about design that actually would work in rl. since we deal with the outer appearance of fireweapons there is really no need to.
but everybody dealing with the topic should stick to some simple rules:
- given functionality, ergo the "ammunition support line" is possible, you can makeout where the ammunition (if you need some forthis kind of weapon) goes in and if there is some space to the barrel so there could be a kind of loading system and chamber. it doesnt mind where themag or the handles are located as long as you make shure there is no "blocking" area like a to thin connection or something. you will need an area where the shell ejects since we have them in nearly every mod on this planet.
- ergonomics. it should look like you could hold that thing. the more comfortable the ergonomics are, the more believeable it will be. it really doesnt matter which spape your handles actually have (look at the p90, nobody would exspect it to be comfortable by the first look).
- proportions. in my eyes its important t keep some kind of major proportions. futuristic weapons have to be little bit smaller than todays firearms in my eyes. but if you make shure there are no unnecessary huge parts or areas where you cant tell what its good for (besides wasting space) everything can look cool.
- details. not a necessary guideline but the more details you add to weapons, themore believeable they will look. and the more interesting they will look.
and all we want is a interesting weapon at the end, dont you think
I didnt felt offended. Im just stating my opinion like you do
edit:
although the concept had been more than cruel, it kinda forced me to do this, took about 1/2 hour. nothing special though. so what we got here is a more than rough "3D scribbling"
the rail is "hollow" to place the sights in it later on. as ou can see the end of the buttstock is still missing.
ok...I'm sorry to say this,but the 2d calico looks better then that render...
tad too generic for my tastes...
and if a small paragraph like that hurts your eyes,you really need to stop reading forums...like,right now.
tad too generic for my tastes...
and if a small paragraph like that hurts your eyes,you really need to stop reading forums...like,right now.
| QUOTE |
| ok...I'm sorry to say this,but the 2d calico looks better then that render... tad too generic for my tastes... |
thats because I hardly spend 30 minutes on it. not a serious attempt.
maybe I will continue work, maybe not.
| QUOTE |
| and if a small paragraph like that hurts your eyes,you really need to stop reading forums...like,right now. |
whatever this should mean...
Found another bastard child of the P90 and the FAMAS, (horny buggers aren't they?).
EDIT: Damnit.
EDIT: Damnit.
| QUOTE (Omega Death @ Jun 14 2005, 04:53 AM) |
Found another bastard child of the P90 and the FAMAS, (horny buggers aren't they?). |
you lose at the internet...
never ever hotlink pictures
wow.
looks pretty cool to people not involved into the topic.
looks pretty cruel to people knowing about the topic.
- body famas
- bottom (handle) p90
- rail g36c
- some additional parts from more scifi looking weapons
this is sad... -_-
looks pretty cool to people not involved into the topic.
looks pretty cruel to people knowing about the topic.
- body famas
- bottom (handle) p90
- rail g36c
- some additional parts from more scifi looking weapons
this is sad... -_-
hybrid of a hybrid of a hybrid, its evolution is say, natural selection if you will
this is like a love child if tom cruise, liv tyler, brad pit, and pamaler anderson breasts could all consercrate
this is like a love child if tom cruise, liv tyler, brad pit, and pamaler anderson breasts could all consercrate
| QUOTE (NEX9 @ Jun 14 2005, 08:42 AM) |
| hybrid of a hybrid of a hybrid, its evolution is say, natural selection if you will this is like a love child if tom cruise, liv tyler, brad pit, and pamaler anderson breasts could all consercrate |
I should have payed more atttention to my english teacher...
sheena, did you remove the picture or is it just a nasty hostīs fault?
| QUOTE (Lt Gravity @ Jun 14 2005, 12:37 PM) |
| *he* should have payed more atttention to my english teacher... |
corrected.
Bottom line, the concept is bad
| QUOTE (sheena yanai @ Jun 9 2005, 03:59 PM) |
| how are you supposed to hold that..or reload it..? seriously... no offense its utterly crappy , and way out of proportion. at the moment you cant do not more than use it as a club... this concept looks more like a doodle, its way to random to be something with an idea behind it, its more like the result of some random placed lines "uhuh..that looks kinda cool".. it lacks all common sense :-/ sorry . i dont want to pull you down. aww i act like a **** again... but i could also act a bit less honest , and say stuff like "whoa..cool.. i like it...a bit" i dont know... what do you want to hear?... the only constructive thing i could say is that you really should take a closer look to existing weapons, study the ergonomics, mechanics (i dont mean you should create a new science) if you want to create a pistol handle or similar you should at least have a idea of how it feels in your hand, if it is comfortable...if you break your hands when firing it (or when trying to) sorry, seriously, nothing against yourself. aww... i feel like such an **** again... now i have a bad conscience.. heres something i spent some minutes on ... now when its 3d, i hope you can see what is missing |
bah, you stop being blunt and honest, and i'll hafta disown you, lol
it's because of your harsh critique that i now design better weapons..
sure, i thought what you were saying sucked at the time....but later on, it made some sense...i'ma PM you my email address, so's i can show ya' some of my new stuff...i want your opinion.
EDIT: Sheena..empty j00r bloody PM box, lol
as to the dude who started this thing....that original concept is atrocious...how do you hold that?...or even fire it?...is it designed for human hands?
Logical design is your friend, embrace it...the inner workings for a gun in a video game are not as important as the external appearance....it has to at least LOOK like a gun....what we have here is a folded umbrella with sights and some kind of handguard thing on it... ::shrug::
if you want some pointers, feel free to drop me a line...
YW!
I'd lop the front off. You'll have to bare with me because I'm not too firearm savvy.
Now, I only how to do photo stuff in cs2 so this will look a bit ordinary...
Idea is, its a carbine, lets make it compact and cool looking. I thought it'd be best if you stuck to straight flat angular lines where possible (obvious the 'grip' can't be like this for ergonomic reasons)
Shortened the barrel, shortened the 'stock??' Perhaps even a folding or removable stock would be cool?
Now, I only how to do photo stuff in cs2 so this will look a bit ordinary...
Idea is, its a carbine, lets make it compact and cool looking. I thought it'd be best if you stuck to straight flat angular lines where possible (obvious the 'grip' can't be like this for ergonomic reasons)
Shortened the barrel, shortened the 'stock??' Perhaps even a folding or removable stock would be cool?
Holy thread revival batman! A year and a half bump 
on topic
catalyst51's looks the best imqfho.
on topic
catalyst51's looks the best imqfho.
Now I thought it was the sharky gun but I was sure I seen a concept running around here that well, looks like it became a reality.
http://www.frontlinesgame.com/img/screenshots/008.jpg
Front lines produced a concept in 2006 they say. But I was sure I have seen this gun before then, at least running around here as a bunch of scribles.
http://www.frontlinesgame.com/img/screenshots/008.jpg
Front lines produced a concept in 2006 they say. But I was sure I have seen this gun before then, at least running around here as a bunch of scribles.
that frontline assault rifle looks much different than that concept, except the top of course
acctuly nogoonick i was sort of refering to hte facthat it looks like a couple of concepts rolling around this forums and i was sure there was one exstreamly close to it, looking at hte front line gun you could deffinatly say thats is sid's gun.
hmm that gun looks very closely like XM8. And that latest black concept of the "sharky Lmg" is FAMASish but whatever
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