Snipeydope
Jun 8 2005, 07:40 PM
Sorry i normally play marines and i wanted a change of scene so i decided to skulk and i saw every one else hopping around but when i tried it it didnt make any difference to my speed or anything. so was i doing it wrong? or had i just not noticeed a difference in speed or agility or something?
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Jun 8 2005, 07:51 PM
For one, it doesn't increase your agility at all. It makes you go faster....forward. And you were probably holding forward, which you shouldn't do. Strangely enough, that slows you down.
Snipeydope
Jun 8 2005, 08:03 PM
so i just tap space over and over without holding forward?
obuh
Jun 8 2005, 08:08 PM
http://www.othell.com/bhop/http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/ (Check out the animated illustration)
In NS, you have to hold crouch to bhop as skulk, to avoid sticking to the floor.
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Jun 8 2005, 11:29 PM
To bunnyhop, you have to understand the concept of the strafejump, which is holding a side-direction and jumping....a bunnyhop is a series of strafejumps, not a forward jump.
kolokol
Jun 9 2005, 04:56 PM
Youll need this. I use this and my mousewheel.
alias hop "+jump; wait; -jump; wait"
alias +jumps "hop;hop;hop; +jump; wait"
alias -jumps "-jump; wait;"
Shove it in your config.cfg then bind your jump key or mwheel to hop. It will give you 3 jumps when you order one so you don't have to get the timing split second.
For practice try putting ns_nothing on and bunny hopping around viaduct. Try turning the gravity off entirely to practice your strafing. Just by holding down lft or rgt and strafing the mouse you will see yourself accelerate in the air. Put the grav back on, but to 400 instead of 800. This will give you a little bit longer to press those keys before the next jump. Once you have the movements smooth put it back to 800 and just hop round from gen to via and back a few times.
Innocuous
Jun 9 2005, 06:33 PM
When you bunnyhop be sure to hold crouch down, do not hold forward down, and alternate strafe keys in the direction you bhop.
GamezLord
Jun 9 2005, 08:18 PM
| QUOTE (kolokol @ Jun 9 2005, 06:56 PM) |
Youll need this. I use this and my mousewheel.
alias hop "+jump; wait; -jump; wait" alias +jumps "hop;hop;hop; +jump; wait" alias -jumps "-jump; wait;"
Shove it in your config.cfg then bind your jump key or mwheel to hop. It will give you 3 jumps when you order one so you don't have to get the timing split second. For practice try putting ns_nothing on and bunny hopping around viaduct. Try turning the gravity off entirely to practice your strafing. Just by holding down lft or rgt and strafing the mouse you will see yourself accelerate in the air. Put the grav back on, but to 400 instead of 800. This will give you a little bit longer to press those keys before the next jump. Once you have the movements smooth put it back to 800 and just hop round from gen to via and back a few times. |
Acctually you don't need it. Not even speaking of the no script alias servers. For me personally it's alot easier just using MWheel. When I bunnyhop I just keep scrolling down at the right moment and 95% of the time I don't miss.
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Jun 10 2005, 12:55 AM
Or you can keep it natural, like I do.
Old anti-scripting veterans unite!
kolokol
Jun 15 2005, 01:27 PM
100% of the time i don't miss
TOmekki
Jun 15 2005, 03:13 PM
| QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM) |
| Or you can keep it natural, like I do. |
or use mousewheel
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Jun 15 2005, 06:52 PM
| QUOTE (TOmekki @ Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM) |
| QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM) | | Or you can keep it natural, like I do. |
or use mousewheel
|
That takes a lot of the skill out of the game, and personally I take pride in my ability to keep up without using Mwheel bhop, scripts, or anything of the sort.
Call me old fashioned or dumb, but I'm content.
TOmekki
Jun 15 2005, 08:39 PM
| QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 15 2005, 01:52 PM) |
| QUOTE (TOmekki @ Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM) | | QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM) | | Or you can keep it natural, like I do. |
or use mousewheel
|
That takes a lot of the skill out of the game, and personally I take pride in my ability to keep up without using Mwheel bhop, scripts, or anything of the sort.
Call me old fashioned or dumb, but I'm content.
|
well yeah, i used to bhop with 3jumps in space, but mwheel feels more natural to me.
Ballisto
Jun 16 2005, 02:52 AM
If you learn to bhop without scripts you get MUCH more flexibility and control. It's worth it.
There's an ns map out there... something like ns_bunnyhop. It's got ideal spots to practice and walls covered in instructions.
Flounder
Jun 23 2005, 01:48 PM
| QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 15 2005, 01:52 PM) |
| QUOTE (TOmekki @ Jun 15 2005, 10:13 AM) | | QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jun 9 2005, 07:55 PM) | | Or you can keep it natural, like I do. |
or use mousewheel
|
That takes a lot of the skill out of the game, and personally I take pride in my ability to keep up without using Mwheel bhop, scripts, or anything of the sort.
Call me old fashioned or dumb, but I'm content.
|
Or, bind that jump script to your mousewheel.
// jumps
alias hop "+jump; wait; -jump; wait"
alias +jumps "hop;hop;hop; +jump; wait"
alias -jumps "-jump; wait;"
bind space +jump
bind mwheelup +jump
bind mwheeldown +jumps
//end jumps
This way on bs_1 servers you can still use your mousewheel, but if you happen to stumble into a bs_0 server you get the 3jump benefit that pretty much everyone else in the room is using.
And if you were wondering, all that jump script does is spam the jump command so you can concentrate on the movement of bhopping and not so much the timing.
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Jun 23 2005, 04:00 PM
I know what a jump script does, as does everyone else. I also know what a mousewheel binding does. But my mousewheel is taken. (Ever spammed a negligent comm with "Need orders" to get a res node? 200 requests in two seconds, AW YEAH!)
In any case, I use my THUMB. AND NO SCRIPT. I don't do well, but I do have a bhop, and sometimes, it's nice to be able to say "I don't use any scripts."
Know what I mean?
Roberto
Jun 23 2005, 05:11 PM
don't bind triplejump to mousewheel, it spams jump way too much and gets backlogged
2_of_Eight
Jun 23 2005, 05:40 PM
| QUOTE (Roberto @ Jun 23 2005, 01:11 PM) |
| don't bind triplejump to mousewheel, it spams jump way too much and gets backlogged |
No no no, you bind "+jump" to mousewheel and spam it. You bind "3jump" to a key (space, ctrl, etc).
Roberto
Jun 23 2005, 06:11 PM
I bind 3jump to mouse3
Dystopia
Jun 25 2005, 05:13 AM
http://fidosrevenge.com/bhop/Not made for NS, but easily adaptable.
the_hole
Jun 25 2005, 08:10 PM
I use mousewheel and a 3jump, I just do one click of the wheel.. I've noticed this helps me when I bunnyhop without a script.. cause I still only do one, nicely timed, click.
I'm not saying I'm just as good without the script, but a good 80% of my jumps are perfectly timed.
MaxAmus
Jun 25 2005, 08:18 PM
scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?
when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not....
Dystopia
Jun 25 2005, 08:25 PM
Did it come with custom models and transparent minimaps with location names either?
Or how about a **** attitude.
stallioN
Jun 25 2005, 09:03 PM
| QUOTE (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM) |
scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?
when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... |
Some people like to save time and not die in base while they type
"bind mwheelup +attack" and such.
CommunistWithAGun
Jun 25 2005, 09:41 PM
| QUOTE (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM) |
scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?
when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... |
Default NS config
So yes, it did in fact come with scripts.
ZeroPain
Jun 25 2005, 10:34 PM
Or you can just wiggle walk

| CODE |
//Wigglewalk alias "speedup" "+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft;+moveright;wait;-moveright;+moveleft;wait;-moveleft" alias "speed" "speedup;speedup;speedup;speedup" bind "SEMICOLON" "speed" |
stallioN
Jun 25 2005, 11:21 PM
| QUOTE (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM) |
| QUOTE (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM) | scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?
when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... |
Default NS config
So yes, it did in fact come with scripts.
|
That isn't a script O:
sargey
Jun 25 2005, 11:34 PM
Yeah, i got that second website of a guy in a server, it helped alot but i still need to do some things to master it.
Dystopia
Jun 25 2005, 11:40 PM
| QUOTE (stallioN @ Jun 25 2005, 06:21 PM) |
| QUOTE (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM) | | QUOTE (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM) | scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?
when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... |
Default NS config
So yes, it did in fact come with scripts.
|
That isn't a script O:
|
I'm pretty sure Forlorn proved it is.
AM I RIGHT
CommunistWithAGun
Jun 26 2005, 12:17 AM
| QUOTE (stallioN @ Jun 25 2005, 06:21 PM) |
| QUOTE (CommunistWithAGun @ Jun 25 2005, 04:41 PM) | | QUOTE (MaxAmus @ Jun 25 2005, 03:18 PM) | scripts are for the weak gamers, that are to lazy to play the game they it was intended?
when u downloaded ns, did it come with that script :? i think not.... |
Default NS config
So yes, it did in fact come with scripts.
|
That isn't a script O:
|
Okay, how about this then
If scripts weren't intended to be in NS they wouldnt be
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Jun 26 2005, 05:15 AM
This isn't about scripting/anti-scripting, guys. I'm as bad as the next guy about that, but JEEZ. Enough of the hostility. Everyone plays their own way, and does so to the best of their ability. Some people choose not to script, some people choose to. It's the same as hacking or not, but with less drama, and less people who care.
SO LAY OFF AND HELP THE POOR MAN BHOP!
Flyingcow
Jul 3 2005, 09:37 AM
holding forward when bhopping doesnt slow you down. you go the same speed if you bhop with forward key or without. just strafe jump left and right or you can "Glide"
gliding is strafe jumping one direction and then curving to the other direciton.
it really makes nodifference if you hold forward
the only reason you shouldnt hold forward, is to see if you can actually bunnyhop without it. if you start slowing down if you dont hold forward, then you arent timing your jumps correctly. its nice to not need forward, but strafe jumping is much more maneuverable than bunnyhopping.
tjosan
Jul 3 2005, 01:53 PM
No. After your initial jump where you "take off", release forward and dont hold it again. It DOES make a difference. If you say otherwise, read those manuals, think of it some, and then practice it.
CommunistWithAGun
Jul 3 2005, 04:26 PM
| QUOTE (Flyingcow @ Jul 3 2005, 04:37 AM) |
holding forward when bhopping doesnt slow you down. you go the same speed if you bhop with forward key or without. just strafe jump left and right or you can "Glide"
gliding is strafe jumping one direction and then curving to the other direciton.
it really makes nodifference if you hold forward
the only reason you shouldnt hold forward, is to see if you can actually bunnyhop without it. if you start slowing down if you dont hold forward, then you arent timing your jumps correctly. its nice to not need forward, but strafe jumping is much more maneuverable than bunnyhopping. |
Uh, holding forward is redundant because a proper bhop not only keeps you moving forward but you gain speed, hold forward and trying to bhop just makes your skulks butt wiggle left and right and you gain nothing of any use in speed
Flyingcow
Jul 3 2005, 09:06 PM
i play TFC, the home of the bhopping skill, in STa 5on5 gold. i know what im talking about. IT does not matter if you use forward just dont hold it the whole time. since i have to use the spacebar for bhopping in natural selection, i prses forward and strafe key right before i jump, and then release the forward key after a fraction of asecond. Holding forward just makes it so you cant glide. it doesnt disable strafejumps.
If you actually know how to strafejump, holding forward makes no difference when you bhop. But i do see waht you mean. New players may not know how to strafejump, which would make them the normal speed, not a slower speed.
OneWingedAngel
Jul 3 2005, 11:21 PM
So can someone show me what to do with the mwheel piece?
Im not sure what to do.
Like, how do you put it in the config.cfg and then what to do after?
Im a n00b at this whole bunny hop thing.
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Jul 4 2005, 01:17 AM
Mousewheel isn't a script, it's a bind.
Play the game, pull down console, and type:
| CODE |
bind mwheelup +jump bind mwheeldown +jump |
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I think that's it. I'm not certain about the name of mousewheel down, though.
Edit: Corrected bind.
a_civilian
Jul 4 2005, 02:45 AM
| QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Jul 3 2005, 09:17 PM) |
| I'm not certain about the name of mousewheel down, though. |
mwheeldown
Cheese
Jul 4 2005, 02:01 PM
did anyone notcie that the guy who actually asked the question didnt reply in here for a single time since the topic was started...hmmmmm

wooops edit. he did reply once after the first answer

but did he read the next 3 pages? it will remain a mystery
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