Basic Idea:

Change the Lerks Movement so it can turn around completely free

Detail:

Atm everyone who plays NS is able to move his mouse till 90° up. You stop with looking straight,up, into the air. But you cant move, furtherup, without turning.

If you dont know what i mean try the following:
- create Game
- Move your mouse forward (if inverted move it backwards) till you look up
- try moving it further forward. Your xhair wont move
- you ll see that it isnt possible to "overbend"

What i am asking is: Is it possible to change this so Lerks are able to do loopings and other crazy stuff due to the removal of the "stuck at 90°" thingy?


Results:

- This would mean that Lerks would get a huge boost in movement possiblities
- Would make Lerks more powerful (if played by skilled players)
- Would make Lerks harder to play (for new players)

Problems/Uncertain Things

- is this possible with Hl?
- Lerk flying turned around (back showing to the floor)

I hope everyone understands what i mean. If not plz tell me and i ll try my best to make it clear.

i like the idea, but dunno if they will add it in cos of the fact that it will be too hard for unsklled players like myself...dunno tho

Why should this be difficult? Never played a flight simulator?

I think it would finely add to the Lerk's feeling, but there is another thing that bugs me as well: Side movement. You should be able to roll on the X axis or dodge in the Z axis...

well, you could use the strafe buttons to roll when in flight mode. when walker-lerk, controls would be normal...

I think the limit is on HL1 for some reason I remember the limit on the HUD is 90 degrees it would be cool, but I don’t see the lerk being that maneuverable.

(I may be wrong on this)

this is only a problem because lerks lose speed when they turn.

just remove that.

this is possible, there used to be a command pitch_ something or rather or m_pitch and if you changed it high enough it would allow you to look all the way around 360 deg.
it was taken out those because some people would turn thier monitor and mouse upside down and play backwards as it was much harder to hit an alien with an upside down hitbox.

it was pretty amusing though to see an onos balacing on its horns lol


so yes it can be done, but only to the lerk to avoid exploits me thinks

So, lerks could do backflips? That would be pretty awesome. This might be even more hellish for the already buggy hitboxes though.

It wouldn't work well I don't think. I used to mess around with cl_pitchup (and down) in TFC, and when you went past 90 the left/right movement was reversed, thus making turning very difficult.

Lerks are already overpowered when in the hands of a skilled player imo, jsut because of its speed. so this could make it even harder to kill a skilled lerk

well red...

skulks are overpowered in the hands of skilled players
lerks are overpowered in the hands of skilled players
fades are overpowered in the hands of skilled players
onos are overpowered in the hands of skilled players

even fattys are overpowered in the hands of skilled players ^^

see what i am trying to explain here?

Following would happen with this upgrade:

a) lerk players can't use the new moveemtns to their advantage and stay at the same skill level
b) really good players that train could improve their skill level a lot

If you are a really good lerk...why not make it overpowered? why just make good fades/onos overpowered? Good lerks should be able to pwn too! if played at a high skill level

And yes, there arent many really good lerk players!

That would be cool, actually. But if you increased the lerk power, inturn increasing alien power, what would you do to compensate the marines? And as some have pointed out, lerks are very powerful with some skill as it is

so...first of all you would havr to try this. How powerful would good lerkplayers become?

And then perhaps change the Health/Armor Points it has to compensate the advantage gained through flying.

It's definitely possible.

It was like this during one of the privste PT builds, but was taken out for some reason.
Before cl_pitchup and cl_pitchdown were locked to values under 89, you could do this manually, by setting it to a large number. Except it worked for everyone, so you could have marines walking upside down, looked quite funny from other people's perspective

well it will open up tons of new possibilities i guess. but it could make the lerk harder to play for newbies...

anyway i support this idea, but not to a large extent. it does have a tendency to make the lerk more overpowered but harder to use for newbies yes, but i like the idea of more moves and a flexible lerk. anyway the devs did say they were adding some movements to 3.1 or something, we'll see.

yes..backwards flying possibilities for the lerk.
and something new for the skulks...

we ll see if that will bring us new movement combos...

Howabout we fully treat it like a Flight sim, and make it so mouse does vertical changes and rolling, and strafes do turns?

I totally agree on this one! I know what you're talking about exactly, and this change would rock.

eh i dont play lurk currently cos the system it uses, i will give this a try if its implimented, if i like it ya might see me be a lurk again

Gnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Zunniiiiiiii

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Don't bump.. I read ALL ideas and go back as needed....

it just postcount ++'s you and mods hate that....

I'll get to every idea eventually, but I work for a school board and it's a busy time of year right now... and even with the bump this fell to page 3 and LOOK I'm reading it..!!!!

I think with the lerk backwards stuff we are slowly moving towards this type of system anyway, but it's much more complicated than you have suggested here but it certainly is something to ponder..

I think it is possible, though I'm not quite sure how. If you ever spectate the whichbot fades and especially lerks, you'll see that they sometimes get stuck and their view literally turns upside down. I'm confused as hell as to how they do that, but it happens.

cl_pitchdown 190 will enable a lerk to fly upside down, and do a downwards loop.

might look kind of weird, i havent seen anyoneuse any of the pitch commands in natural selection, just tfc. I know that in tfc, when you change the pitches, you end up shooting out of your butt and things like that. also its possible to feign death inside a wall with the right pitch command.

are cl_pitchup and cl_pitchdown enabled in natural selection?

i belive they once were but arnt any more unless you enable sv cheats

they are disabled because of headplants that enabled marines and skulks to not be hitable at all.