Seems to me like relocating is a very dangerous gamble, and you should only do it if it's a really good spot. The gamble is this: if you can't secure the spot on time, then either your entire team will die, or at the very least you'll face an endless onslaugh of skulks as you try to lock it down. In that time the aliens will gain the rest of the map, spelling doom for you. So it better be a good spot.

Cargo: (lot of places have this name lol)

• LOCATION: It's in the center of the map. This 1) Means you're closer to EVERYTHING (hives, nodes) and 2) It's much harder for aliens to walk from waste to satcomm (hives) or from satcomm to waste.
• HIVE: It's on top of a hive, so you also get a 1 hive lockdown!
• OPENNESS: Wide open space that skulks have to run/leap across, giving your marines plenty of time to gun them down.

Central Processing:

• LOCATION: Not quite as rocking, but in the very middle of the map. You're a short walk from sewers and a short weld from ventilation. Not on top of a hive, but within easy rushing distance of two. Generator is kind of close too. Not as open as you'd like... the hallways outside are actually a bit better as a base location.
• DOUBLE RES: Two res nodes! In your base! Need I say more?

I'd like to hear your experiences and what other reloc spots are good! And I repeat: relocating IS risky, you can all die, or you can have such a tough time that the aliens get the rest of the map!

To me, those spots are to obvious.
Relocating in pubs isnt about getting a tactical advantage, it's about making the aliens go "What the hell are they doing?"

Personally, I prefere random hallways, or inbetween two hives in a corner area.
Inbetween is great because it makes the 2 hive lockdown VERY easy.

Also, relocating to their active hive is very fun and effective.

I havent seen single game yet where marines in subspace of _nancy would had been overrunned in less than half an hour. That place is absolute fortress of all marines in world, just go look it. One entrance and 2 easily blocked vents.

Cargo on tanith is also a dbl res location, for all practical purposes. If either team controls cargo, the other team would never risk building fusion rt, and your team should have fusion rt.

As far as subspace on nancy, it is difficult for aliens to clear, but it's also almost impossible for marines to escape from. It usually ends up being a long, drawn-out game that, in my opinion, is boring for both sides.

The best relocate on any map.

Pressure hive on ns_ayumi.

Bassically, a double res, also within easy reach of hamasaki.

If they start in system hive, unless your a totally retarted commander you will win.

Always Cargo and Generator on ns_nothing. Not as good as the others, though.

Generator is particularly nice, you essentially gain control of the heart of the map, allowing you to severely hamper alien movement.

I can't seem to think of the others...

If you are going to reloc, and it is usually way to risky to do in any serious setting, these are the spots i've seen work really well.

Ayumi ---- Power Access III
Eclipse ---- Primary Access Corridor
Origen ---- right to the left of double, up that little elevator.
Nancy ---- Mess hall
Orbital ---- Atrium
Metal ---- flight control is the more popular one, but Mineral Proc is the secret.
Nothing ---- Gen (imo the best reloc in the game)
Hera ---- Hera Entrance and Reception
Lost ---- Above and to the left of external overlook

if aliens are stupid enough to let the whole marine team move into cargo and build a commchair in the middle of that room without killing them...they deserve to loose!

2nd Thing...if you dont get a tf and turrets while the aliens have some (2+) celerity lerks in cargo you are **** as well.

[edit:] To clarify my last point...this relocate takes you a very long time!Cargo is one of the rooms that are at the exact opposit side of MS. So you will most likely have Lekrs before you are able to set up the TF and the Turrets...question is if they allready have chambers...but if so...gg

Wow there are some really stupid relocs listed here *....*

cargo on tanith --> it's nice to have it but still a bad place to reloc, you will get spored by lerks all the time and if you fail to stop a second hive from going up you will get bilebombed

cargo on nothing --> it had been a good reloc in old versions but now it's a dead-trap. Again you got lerks gasing you all the time, onos can stomp a whole team in the narrow corridors. And it's anything from central you have to walk all the way out of cargo to get only to gen. Gen is the best choice on this map.

hera entrance on hera --> had been a good reloc in old versions too because you could siege holoroom (had been dbl in that days) that would get lamed up every round for sure. But now it's not that good a reloc at all.

the room left of dbl at origin --> it's a good reloc but still somewhat open to lerks with that vent in the corner. Better go for the corridor between that room and xenoform.

dbl at veil --> Worst reloc ever on the best map ever. DON'T RELOC ON THIS MAP. There are no good spots to reloc to anyway. Just stay in ms it's nice there :>

Now to some good relocs:

processing at hera --> not at the node but on the wall to cc. With lots of turrets easy to defend against skulks, onos will getin a hard time killing anything there because they have to climb ladders to get up. Only drawback is that you can get spored but that's not bad to conter there's only 1 vent there.


mother interface on nancy --> yay that's a good reloc there. Just a short walk from ms and easy to defend as hell. Also in siege range of the hive.

A real fun-reloc is auxillery on nancy --> get an armory up and drop mines with the mines climb on top of aux. Build cc, ip's and elec tf to defend against skulks. Can't be killed by onos at all and fades have a hard time gettin out of there. It's even somewhat central

that corridor south of dbl at origin --> Lerks got a small chance to spore there but it's not as bad as right in dbl. But still a nice reloc and not that widley known.

main aft junction on bast --> in old versions this had been the uber-reloc now it's still good. It's a small walk from ms (real small) easy to defend and central.

That's all i can think of right now ^^

I very much disagree with this thread's premise. "Waste hive" on ns_tanith is a definitive base location for marines. More than two games I've had my team do a complete comeback from that location. (with much frustration from the alien team I'm sure) And as a matter of fact the reason for the iron defense at that location is GLs + HMGs + elevation advantage. Any alien that rushed in would be met with lethal damage from the elites "on the cliff" while the LA pawn would press the offensive until the aliens cracked (somebody left the server, aliens stopped trying, etc.) and we broke out. Ironically there were very few if any turrets in the base. The damage came from marine weapons, mines, and seiges. If there had been medspam or turret farming then it wouldn't have been possible.

nice to know

Random Relocate FTW.... Always and Forever

~Jason

Another fort-type relocate--the landing pad RT on Hera. Ok, so its right next to marine start, but its so much easier to defend than your original spawn point. Probably won't win you any games, but if you want to build an Alamo-style fort, Hera landing pad is your place to go.

Last time I did this, we were badly losing a game at around the 15 minute mark, relocated to landing pad, and held out to 62 minutes before they finally took us down. Onos would run out onto the landing pad, eat people with weapons, and jump off the edge into the pit because it was the only way to hurt our res any. It was very funny.

Yeah, I've had a lot of fun out on marine start.
I've gotten stuck with teams that just consist on complete turret farming, so I move out there stick everything vital in the back, right on the edge, then just lame up the entire front.

With the fun new door now it becomes unstoppable (next to a bilebomb/primal rush) because if something like a fade comes in you just lock him, and the massive farms just do the work

(Not that I condone farming or anything, but some games you just have to screw around)

Yes...cargo sucks against bilebombs and lerks gasing from the top...but

Here is the Solution!!

ftw

A realy fun relocation on large pubs for tanith is Chemichal when their hive is ether satcom or fusion. build 2-3 ips, and armory, send you 2 best marines to go cap nodes on the other side of the map. and tell the rest of you marines to prented its combat and just rush the hive. Only drop medpacks on the rez getters, and reaserch only armor. If your marines dont armory hump to much, it can be great fun for both sides.

Why must you comms relocate? I always think it's best to fight from MS, and it saves res AND time.

But then, I'm just a soldier.

Oh this relocate is definately possible!
We (a clanmate and me) did it yesterday on a 12vs12 server

Game started and we shouted "CARGO ALL ALL ALL CARGO"
magically it worked and everyone started to move to dres and then to central access tunnels over to cargo storage.
There he built us an armory but ppl were stupid enough to hump it so they blocked the "jump point". After we got rid of these blockers skulks charged us (waste main). About 7 of them. We managed to somehow kill them with a few losses but say hello to 3.03 spawnrates...so we had some more inside cargo about 15 seconds later.
Fortunately i managed to get up there by the time so i started building the CC and Ips while the comm set us some more ips up at the floor of cargo.
Skulks raped these Ips while i managedto finish 2 of them at the reloc spot

Rest is history...we managed to sniper the skulks away (they were a bit confused when we started to shoot them from above since they saw noone)...we got 8 Rts and it was gg....

SO its definately possible as long as you have about 3+ guys who know what they are doing.

I would have loved to see those onos charging down the landing pad, dvouring and jumping off

If the aliens can't prevent a relocate to Tanith they should die one undred million times. Hell, if they can't prevent a dbl relocation on tanith they deserve to die one hundred million times.

I like partial relocations in ns_caged in stupid huge pubs lol. Like an IP or two and the CC in rine start for pressure on aliens and CC and an IP or two and all your tech buildings in somewheres like near stability monitoring or pumping station (whatever they call it now near sewer). Com gets to pick the partial-reloc spot depending on what hive it is. If everyone on marine understands that the location they spawn dictates what their gameplan is until they die, it's all good. For the com, the idea is to put your tech on the side of the map furthest away from the starting alien hive with all the RTs the aliens have to go the furthest to attack and have marines spawning there defend and cap and recap and hold second hive, and have a second base for offense with no defense except the marines spawning there pushing out and the commander if the start/offensive push base gets threatened in a pitched skulk and LMG battle out in the center or the RT gets munched on. You can lose half your overall position and if your marines are smart but just unlucky maybe put together a second push from the backup-base or the tech-base.

Anyone who spawns in marine start waits for another buddy, if there are two or more red people on blue when he tabs, and they rush out with 50/50 bullets. The com has to watch anyone who spawns in marine start since they'll be deliberately going on attack and have no armory to hump before having to leave into the cold cruel world outside marine start. Basically anyone spawning here is on a rush straight for the enemy spawn and the resource node just outside of it. They hold the closest spot they can get to the enemy spawn and intercept any aliens trying to get around marine start towards the vent in the middle or the tech base on the other side of the map.

Anyone who spawns in the mystery ultra-cool hallway-of-relocation near pumping station if hive is generator or stability monitoring (auxiliary generators if you're leet) if hive is sewer has to go res-hunting and defend the nearby stuff and make sure they don't get vent hive. If hive is generator, then from the semi-reloc spot in pumping, weld through only the weldable wall leading from sewer side to vent. This keeps the aliens from generator down to one L-turn hallway and a ramp or stairs in from double side, and one dinky little skulk-sized vent in from ventilation hive side.

If hive is ventilation, uhh. Then I think you're supposed to try to rush all the way to generator, and down the long hallway and semi-relocate inside the hallway leading from aux gen to the T shaped hallway on the east side of double for the 2nd comchair.

So to secure your semi-relocation spot, there are a couple things you can do. If you semi-relocate to pumping station or up that hallway (where ever you decide to drop the com chair IPs and tech buildings) then you can keep lerks out of the vent from the upper sewer RT (which should be defended by the marine start spawners if it's attacked) by welding it shut from marine start side. They can also weld the other vent shut or even build something cool like an obs or whatever inside the vent where nobody will know it's there, then weld it shut forever in case of beaconing or for extra scanning energy, or maybe a spare arms lab for quicker research for your crazy half-strat that can hold marine upgrades up in case the tech-base in pumping station gets overrun. To further secure the upper pumping station relocate, try to build the armory so that it's item dropping range is inside that one high-up waterfall pipe connecting pumping to vent. Once the three or four marines weld the one wall through to vent to secure it, they boost one of their guys into that waterfall pipe, and the com drops him a pack of mines up there and he puts them on the ventilation side. Then you drop the amazing vent-crawling ninja marine another pack of mines, which he takes along with a marine to cover him to the pumping station rt itself. It's possible for a lone marine to jump into the skulk vent leading from the vent hive to pumping station, but it's so easy only some nub at halflife games wouldn't understand if you have two guys. One of them jumps onto the little ledge under the vent and holds forward to hold onto the edge, and the other marine with the mines jumps on his shoulders and into the vent. Then he puts his mines on the two bends in the tunnel (the floor side, not the roof, not the walls, and you have to plant them BEHIND yourself in order to keep walking down the vent), and crawls his merry way to ventilation hive to keep getting rts and defending.

There are some other key elements to this whole dumb master plan I'm leaving out because dang this stuff makes your eyes burn after a while.

NS_Caged semi-relocations are the most funnest huge stupid pub strats ever. Except you need leet hyper-smart marines who know what to do/where to go depending on where they are and what's happening at any one time and a com who is quick enough to give the marines fast buildings and speedy medpacks and ammo. It's good if you drink lots of energy beverages I imagine.

While not always feasable, a distributed relocate is always fun. Basically you put your upgrade structures whereever you can hide them. It means that losing your armslab doesn't mean you're going to lose your AA and obs too. That said, I still like to keep the armoury and proto somewhere near the IPs.

it's a very good idea to hide the obs in a vent

It's more fun to hide your entire BASE in a vent.

'n what will happen if an alien finds it :)=

Hera Entrance and Reception = Best

Give me an Epsilon Double Negative Semi-Moron team that can shoot half decently, and I'll get you a win so long as we get those two IP's up

Well, most morons can follow orders, so ftw, mega-morons!

then you need a baseguard cuz every1 of the
alien team would want to bash ur base

but yus it is funny
like siege pos. in vents - for example ns_tanith ^^

I am a fan of vent relocates on very small games so it's more of a fun thing and you know that you're going to lose. But get one adren lerk in there gassing away and it's over for your base. The major benefit of a vent relocate is the element of surprise, once that's gone, practice mobility and relocate again. Otherwise you might as well be begging for lerks to come along and sap your res via medpacks.

personally I'd prefer to reloc to double instead of cargo on tanith. If you reloc to cargo, the aliens can easily walk around you to hit double and waste.

but if you reloc to double, that's two res nodes the aliens absolutely have no chance of destroying. Plus, you choke off waste and have easy access to cargo/fusion. Satellite becomes less easy to attack, but not once you've taken control of cargo.

IP RUSH FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Make Ip`s under the alien spawn point so you telefrag em!

I love ip rushing feed on bast. Get your rines into the vent in the roof of tt. Aliens spread out all over the map trying to find you while you setup the cc at the bottom of the ladder. Spam mines everywhere and blow the hive away. So much fun when the aliens see it going down. OMG!