After seven game days and 23 real days, The Werewolf Game IV: Freya comes to an end. It's been quite a ride.
Co-MVP to Pulse and Talesin. Despite Pulse's death just before the end of the game, he proved invaluable to the humans by seering formtaker after formtaker, communicating his knowledge to the humans through Talesin.
A big round of applause to the formtakers, who were millimetres away from the victory. You did VERY well, fellas.
An honorable mention must go to TheMuffinMan for his sudden change of heart on day four, ensuring that Swiftspear got lynched. Arguably this was the pivotal point of the game.
And now, without further ado, the players:
Renegade, human (Wolfed on night 3)
Talesin, human (Survived)
TheMuffinMan, human (Survived)
Pulse, seer (Wolfed on night 7)
Sky, psychic (Survived)
brute force, human (Wolfed on night 6)
Some tall guy, human (Lynched on day 2)
Swiftspear, formtaker (Instalynched on day 5)
im lost, human (Wolfed on night 4)
Nemesis Zero, formtaker (Instalynched on day 4)
Freak83, human (Wolfed on night 1)
wonedslackystyle, human (Lynched on day 1)
Hellfire3k, human (Survived)
Snidely, human (Wolfed on night 5)
Cold NiTe, formtaker (Instalynched on day 7)
SaltzBad, guardian (Wolfed on night 2)
Mantrid, formtaker (Instalynched on day 6)
BadKarma, human (Lynched on day 3)
Actions of the human roles:
Night one:
Pulse seers Talesin
SaltzBad protects TheMuffinMan
Night two:
Pulse seers Nemesis Zero
SaltzBad protects Nemesis Zero
Night three:
Pulse seers Snidely
Night four:
Pulse seers Swiftspear
Night five:
Pulse seers TheMuffinMan
Night six:
Pulse seers Mantrid
Night seven:
Pulse seers Cold NiTe
#ns-twg is now unpassworded. Anybody is welcome to join!
Freak83 has plans for the next TWG. Please wait for him to make his announcement before applying for host positions.
As I said at the start of the game, I have been writing a journal of the game. It now weighs in at 4532 words. I'll post in later.
Hope you all liked the story. It's been a taxing, but very rewarding experience for me. Not one I will repeat very soon, but some day I will do this again I think.
And now make with the high-fiving.
Edit: Freak83 has announced the signup procedure:
Full Version: Twg Iv: Postgame
Unknown Worlds Forums > Natural Selection > Natural Selection Creation > Fan-Fiction Forum > Role-Playing Haven
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| For the sign ups, it's going to be done a little differently this time. As we're moving onto TWG V now, changes may be ready to be made. I would like everyone who wishes to host next game to email me at freak83ATgmailDOTcom. In this email include the following: Your forum name How many player slots will be open in your game The number of wolves Description of the game For description of the game either put "Standard TWG game" which will be played with 3 or 4 wolves and done in the same format as the first four TWG's. If you want to make any crazy changes to gameplay, number of teams, kills per night, etc. then include a vivid description of your game and how it will be played. I may contact you back about balance issues if neccisary. Once I have gotten all applications there will be a new thread either in this forum or Off Topic where all the game hosts applications will be shown in the first post and players can vote on their prefered host for the next game. Requirements are that you have played in at least one TWG before and have an understanding of the game. 5:00 PM EST on Tuesday sounds like a fair deadline for host applications. |
Awesome. GJ humans.
I can't believe Cold was a wolf. Then again, he did seem kinda suspicious to me, and he always seemed to disagree with the things that made the most sense. >_>
I can't believe Cold was a wolf. Then again, he did seem kinda suspicious to me, and he always seemed to disagree with the things that made the most sense. >_>
Yep, great job humans. Thanks for hosting Lolfighter, the story was brilliant.
I thought I'd post my thoughts from the perspective of one only able to read the thread, as someone mentioned they'd be interested to hear things from that viewpoint. So, I did a journal too:
An Outsider’s Diary
Note: Everything up to Day 4 was written on Day 4, but I think it is still pretty accurate to what I was thinking at the time.
Note 2: The tenses are horrible. Sorry.
Note 3: This is written basically as if I was a human player. It’s slightly odd... but not too bad I think.
Day 1:
Makes sense to me to bump off Freak this early. Dispose of a good player that could be a thorn in the wolves’ side. While wonedslackystyle’s point against random votes didn’t make much sense to me to begin with, I see now he was trying to say wait till more information was available, not actually thinking (or pretending to think) that Snidely was a wolf. When I got this, I looked at the way TheMuffinMan jumped on him and pegged him as my greatest suspicion at this point.
Day 2:
Dead Saltzbad. Probably not anything more than disposing of someone who might be a threat in the future. By this reason, if I’d been a wolf, personally I’d have disposed of Nemesis Zero, as from his posts around the forum, it’s clear he’s very sharp. This, coupled with his activity level (enough to come on and vote or say a few words, but not much more) put me onto my second wolf suspicion. Of course, his activity level began to rise at this point, but that’s for Day 3/4 comments. I thought he was also a possibility for the seer also, since that’s how I’d expect the seer to be too: anonymous. I also got a slight ping from Cold Nite for his post “However you are certainly going over things with a fine tooth comb I must say.” Something about that seemed to me like it was stirring up trouble, but it wasn’t a strong suspicion at that point. The inactivity of players makes it easier for the wolves at this point, because they can help vote off human players with little to no suspicion. Obviously that makes getting genuine evidence on the wolves difficult. Lastly I began to get a weird hunch that Talesin might be a wolf at this point, due to the post of someone that I can’t recall currently. It may have been from Snidely, who I was beginning to think of as human due to his reasonableness.
Day 3:
With Renegade also sleeping with the fishes, it looked like the pattern of killing the players that could be dangerous in future was being followed. This strengthened my suspicions of Nemesis Zero somewhat, but nothing concrete yet. The discussion between him and TheMuffinMan struck me as a little forced too, as it seemed highly unlikely that the seer would have talked to the wrong person at that point, as he’d have to have been not very sharp to do so, and Renegade doesn’t strike me as someone that would make such a simple mistake. I began to view the posts of these two through something of a ‘wolf lens’. Nem’s “just doesn't feel as though I'm making progress here.” Seemed to me like a delaying tactic to prevent him from having to accuse anyone and draw attention to himself. Another comment by Snidely put me on to Swiftspear. Not so much the logic itself, but the long winded way Swiftspear defended himself. It seemed… more than was necessary for a vague suggestion of an accusation. Then Talesin, Mantrid and Nem all seemed to bandwagon Swiftspear’s vote and I was left with five real wolf suspects, with Mantrid being least likely in my eyes. I also agreed with Badkarma’s analysis of Nem’s ‘Unless you really want to get rid of him, it might be a good idea to vote for someone else.’ Being a bit odd if he was still voting for Badkarma. Talesin’s voting behaviour also seemed odd to me. I also got my first feeling from Pulse this day. I saw his “I'm going to vote for Snidely right now because he doesn't have any votes and I don't want to kill Badkarma, who I don't think is a wolf.” And thought; he knows more than he should do. My feeling was that he could quite possibly be the seer, or that I’d got my wolf guess completely wrong, and he was a wolf instead with Badkarma and others that I had no clue who they were. However, by this point I basically believed Badkarma to be human, along with bruteforce for general rational posting, voting and moderate activity.
Day 4:
With im lost kaput I was no further along. He’d been fairly reasonable throughout, the only one he really accused being Talesin, who I suspected a wolf at this point. I was basically cemented into the fact that Nemesis Zero was a wolf, followed jointly by MuffinMan and Swiftspear, with Talesin hot on their heels. I was also certain Snidely was a human, particularly with the long post against Swiftspear, who he’d been consistently against. I got a slight twinge from some slightly confrontational posts from Cold Nite, but nothing major, since he backed off pretty quickly. Then the big shocked happened: Talesin comes out as knowing the seer. Until I read the whole way through, I was ready for it being a wolf ruse, but then I read the names at the bottom, and surprise, surprise, trusted Talesin. I didn’t think a wolf would have any reason to incriminate two of his own. Pulse’s instant backup of Talesin’s post seemed to confirm his seeriness. The following defense of Nem and Swiftspear by MuffinMan seemed to confirm my suspicions of him. With Cold Nite sitting on the fence and Mantrid not making the correct cost-benefit decision, I thought of both as possible replacements for Talesin in the wolf ranks, who from some of the comments by Nem, lead me to believe that all 4 were still alive and well. Cold Nite then made a long post defending himself, when Talesin said he was going to be seered the following night. Talesin made it clear he thought Cold Nite to be human, but Cold Nite still saw the need to attack him. He took the 4th place on my ‘wolf list’. Continued arguments by Nem, Swiftspear and MuffinMan only served to incriminate them more in my eyes, right up until the point MuffinMan threw a spanner into the works by instalynching Nem. I eventually decided the wolves had done cost-benefit themselves and tried to protect at least one of their members from suspicion, but remained open minded about the possibility of Mantrid being a wolf instead. At the end of the day I decided to see if I could guess the psychic. Knocking off probable wolves and entirely inactives I settled on Sky and Snidely as most likely, leaning towards Sky because he was less active and forthright than Snidely.
Day 5:
Snidely pushing up the daisies. That was a surprise to me. I expected the wolves to leave the most obvious supporter of Talesin alone as it seemed to incriminate them further. I had expected them to knock off Hellfire3k or bruteforce, as they hadn’t been taking a very active role, and could be killed without suspicion. In the end I reasoned that they had decided it wasn’t safe for them to leave Snidely alive any longer, since he was basically out reasoning them (or so I thought) and generally being a pain in their wolfy backsides. Sky comes out as being in contact with the psychic. This fits closely enough with my idea of him being the psychic that I didn’t think about it much. In hindsight, I should have picked up that he was the psychic, since there were no other likely candidates. However it didn’t matter really, so I just believed him and left it at that. MuffinMan didn’t take sides, which implied to me that he is laying low like I previously suggested. If he is a wolf though, he may have to help out Swiftspear. Of course, the wolves may have decided to sacrifice both of them for the good of the team, or I could be completely wrong in my suspicions. Wouldn’t that be embarrassing. It certainly looks much less likely that he’s a wolf than it used to. Pulse again supports Talesin. Either he is the seer, or he’s in the seer network. I’m inclined to believe he is the seer, but bruteforce is the other possibility. Or Talesin could be doing what Sky did, but my gut says it’s Pulse. Cold Nite basically shows his colours here. Either he’s a wolf or Sky and Talesin are, and I know which I’m inclined to believe. Sky’s evidence is way too good, and I’ve suspected the others throughout.
Damnit, MuffinMan is human. My first suspicion was a dud. No matter. Replace MuffinMan with ‘Mantrid’ wherever applicable. Talesin’s post basically confirms that he isn’t the seer, since someone else would be able to take over. I still think it’s Pulse. MuffinMan did say a weird thing though: “I was contacted by the seer a while ago”. That doesn’t seem to gel with what has been going on. However, it could just mean that the humans played a shrewd game and set things up so MuffinMan would be in a position to instalynch. Hmm… something to think about. Mantrid performs the instalynch this time, despite people saying not to. In all fairness, it proves nothing either way; he could be a wolf covering his tracks or a human voting against a wolf. I don’t really see who else could be a wolf (unless Hellfire3k is and the wolves have been just letting him be inactive to avoid suspicion). Tomorrow should tell us, with one wolfing and a seer report, that should be enough to end it.
Only two real possibilities at this point in my mind: Talesin, Sky, Pulse and bruteforce are wolves, and humans are screwed, or Nem, Swiftspear and likely Cold Nite and Mantrid are wolves and humans have got the network contacts to end it. It is possible that Talesin and/or Sky is part of some complicated wolf ploy, but I believe it’s a simple case of one side’s lying and one side’s telling the truth. I believe Talesin and Sky. At this point I think Pulse is the seer and Sky is the psychic. The guardian is probably dead, but he could be bruteforce or even MuffinMan. If I’m wrong, then the wolves have being playing a blinder of a game. It would mean that Sky prepared for a role as a fake psychic all along, and that the wolves built their own network. Talesin HAS to be human. There’s no way he could risk coming out in the open like that if he was a wolf, otherwise the real seer could still be alive. If he’s being played by a wolf… well the possibilities are insanely complicated. I think it’s too unlikely to be true.
Day 6
Bruteforce is an ex-human. Pretty much what I expected. If I’d been forced to bet on the death, it would have been him or Pulse. I’m glad it was him, as that means we’re probably going to get a seer report shortly. Humans shouldn’t have any problems, since they have enough players to instalynch who they want. In fact, as long as Talesin, MuffinMan, Pulse and Sky are human, and work together, they can’t loose, since even if they killed the other human first before the wolves, they would still win. The seer could reveal himself now, it’s no longer a problem. He may wish to survive the entire game though, but it really shouldn’t make a difference. It’s just a matter of finishing things off now. At least I hope so, otherwise the humans are few in number, with no seer or psychic and in deep trouble. Talesin confirms Mantrid is a wolf. No surprise there. Mantrid lynches himself and at the same time confirms he was a wolf. Telling everyone Hellfire is the other wolf makes no real difference: Either Hellfire or Cold Nite will be scanned. If they are found to be a wolf they will be lynched, if they aren’t, the other will be. Game over. Well… I suppose the seer might get wolfed, but they may still be able to communicate the results of their scan, so by all rights, tomorrow should be the last day.
Day 7
Pulse is deceased. Unfortunate, but I am happy to learn that he was indeed the seer, as this basically proves that Talesin is human. Seeing as there’s only one wolf left, and Pulse’s seering from just before the grave tells us it’s Cold Nite, then it’ll be all over in a matter of hours.
It’s done. GG humans.
An Outsider’s Diary
Note: Everything up to Day 4 was written on Day 4, but I think it is still pretty accurate to what I was thinking at the time.
Note 2: The tenses are horrible. Sorry.
Note 3: This is written basically as if I was a human player. It’s slightly odd... but not too bad I think.
Day 1:
Makes sense to me to bump off Freak this early. Dispose of a good player that could be a thorn in the wolves’ side. While wonedslackystyle’s point against random votes didn’t make much sense to me to begin with, I see now he was trying to say wait till more information was available, not actually thinking (or pretending to think) that Snidely was a wolf. When I got this, I looked at the way TheMuffinMan jumped on him and pegged him as my greatest suspicion at this point.
Day 2:
Dead Saltzbad. Probably not anything more than disposing of someone who might be a threat in the future. By this reason, if I’d been a wolf, personally I’d have disposed of Nemesis Zero, as from his posts around the forum, it’s clear he’s very sharp. This, coupled with his activity level (enough to come on and vote or say a few words, but not much more) put me onto my second wolf suspicion. Of course, his activity level began to rise at this point, but that’s for Day 3/4 comments. I thought he was also a possibility for the seer also, since that’s how I’d expect the seer to be too: anonymous. I also got a slight ping from Cold Nite for his post “However you are certainly going over things with a fine tooth comb I must say.” Something about that seemed to me like it was stirring up trouble, but it wasn’t a strong suspicion at that point. The inactivity of players makes it easier for the wolves at this point, because they can help vote off human players with little to no suspicion. Obviously that makes getting genuine evidence on the wolves difficult. Lastly I began to get a weird hunch that Talesin might be a wolf at this point, due to the post of someone that I can’t recall currently. It may have been from Snidely, who I was beginning to think of as human due to his reasonableness.
Day 3:
With Renegade also sleeping with the fishes, it looked like the pattern of killing the players that could be dangerous in future was being followed. This strengthened my suspicions of Nemesis Zero somewhat, but nothing concrete yet. The discussion between him and TheMuffinMan struck me as a little forced too, as it seemed highly unlikely that the seer would have talked to the wrong person at that point, as he’d have to have been not very sharp to do so, and Renegade doesn’t strike me as someone that would make such a simple mistake. I began to view the posts of these two through something of a ‘wolf lens’. Nem’s “just doesn't feel as though I'm making progress here.” Seemed to me like a delaying tactic to prevent him from having to accuse anyone and draw attention to himself. Another comment by Snidely put me on to Swiftspear. Not so much the logic itself, but the long winded way Swiftspear defended himself. It seemed… more than was necessary for a vague suggestion of an accusation. Then Talesin, Mantrid and Nem all seemed to bandwagon Swiftspear’s vote and I was left with five real wolf suspects, with Mantrid being least likely in my eyes. I also agreed with Badkarma’s analysis of Nem’s ‘Unless you really want to get rid of him, it might be a good idea to vote for someone else.’ Being a bit odd if he was still voting for Badkarma. Talesin’s voting behaviour also seemed odd to me. I also got my first feeling from Pulse this day. I saw his “I'm going to vote for Snidely right now because he doesn't have any votes and I don't want to kill Badkarma, who I don't think is a wolf.” And thought; he knows more than he should do. My feeling was that he could quite possibly be the seer, or that I’d got my wolf guess completely wrong, and he was a wolf instead with Badkarma and others that I had no clue who they were. However, by this point I basically believed Badkarma to be human, along with bruteforce for general rational posting, voting and moderate activity.
Day 4:
With im lost kaput I was no further along. He’d been fairly reasonable throughout, the only one he really accused being Talesin, who I suspected a wolf at this point. I was basically cemented into the fact that Nemesis Zero was a wolf, followed jointly by MuffinMan and Swiftspear, with Talesin hot on their heels. I was also certain Snidely was a human, particularly with the long post against Swiftspear, who he’d been consistently against. I got a slight twinge from some slightly confrontational posts from Cold Nite, but nothing major, since he backed off pretty quickly. Then the big shocked happened: Talesin comes out as knowing the seer. Until I read the whole way through, I was ready for it being a wolf ruse, but then I read the names at the bottom, and surprise, surprise, trusted Talesin. I didn’t think a wolf would have any reason to incriminate two of his own. Pulse’s instant backup of Talesin’s post seemed to confirm his seeriness. The following defense of Nem and Swiftspear by MuffinMan seemed to confirm my suspicions of him. With Cold Nite sitting on the fence and Mantrid not making the correct cost-benefit decision, I thought of both as possible replacements for Talesin in the wolf ranks, who from some of the comments by Nem, lead me to believe that all 4 were still alive and well. Cold Nite then made a long post defending himself, when Talesin said he was going to be seered the following night. Talesin made it clear he thought Cold Nite to be human, but Cold Nite still saw the need to attack him. He took the 4th place on my ‘wolf list’. Continued arguments by Nem, Swiftspear and MuffinMan only served to incriminate them more in my eyes, right up until the point MuffinMan threw a spanner into the works by instalynching Nem. I eventually decided the wolves had done cost-benefit themselves and tried to protect at least one of their members from suspicion, but remained open minded about the possibility of Mantrid being a wolf instead. At the end of the day I decided to see if I could guess the psychic. Knocking off probable wolves and entirely inactives I settled on Sky and Snidely as most likely, leaning towards Sky because he was less active and forthright than Snidely.
Day 5:
Snidely pushing up the daisies. That was a surprise to me. I expected the wolves to leave the most obvious supporter of Talesin alone as it seemed to incriminate them further. I had expected them to knock off Hellfire3k or bruteforce, as they hadn’t been taking a very active role, and could be killed without suspicion. In the end I reasoned that they had decided it wasn’t safe for them to leave Snidely alive any longer, since he was basically out reasoning them (or so I thought) and generally being a pain in their wolfy backsides. Sky comes out as being in contact with the psychic. This fits closely enough with my idea of him being the psychic that I didn’t think about it much. In hindsight, I should have picked up that he was the psychic, since there were no other likely candidates. However it didn’t matter really, so I just believed him and left it at that. MuffinMan didn’t take sides, which implied to me that he is laying low like I previously suggested. If he is a wolf though, he may have to help out Swiftspear. Of course, the wolves may have decided to sacrifice both of them for the good of the team, or I could be completely wrong in my suspicions. Wouldn’t that be embarrassing. It certainly looks much less likely that he’s a wolf than it used to. Pulse again supports Talesin. Either he is the seer, or he’s in the seer network. I’m inclined to believe he is the seer, but bruteforce is the other possibility. Or Talesin could be doing what Sky did, but my gut says it’s Pulse. Cold Nite basically shows his colours here. Either he’s a wolf or Sky and Talesin are, and I know which I’m inclined to believe. Sky’s evidence is way too good, and I’ve suspected the others throughout.
Damnit, MuffinMan is human. My first suspicion was a dud. No matter. Replace MuffinMan with ‘Mantrid’ wherever applicable. Talesin’s post basically confirms that he isn’t the seer, since someone else would be able to take over. I still think it’s Pulse. MuffinMan did say a weird thing though: “I was contacted by the seer a while ago”. That doesn’t seem to gel with what has been going on. However, it could just mean that the humans played a shrewd game and set things up so MuffinMan would be in a position to instalynch. Hmm… something to think about. Mantrid performs the instalynch this time, despite people saying not to. In all fairness, it proves nothing either way; he could be a wolf covering his tracks or a human voting against a wolf. I don’t really see who else could be a wolf (unless Hellfire3k is and the wolves have been just letting him be inactive to avoid suspicion). Tomorrow should tell us, with one wolfing and a seer report, that should be enough to end it.
Only two real possibilities at this point in my mind: Talesin, Sky, Pulse and bruteforce are wolves, and humans are screwed, or Nem, Swiftspear and likely Cold Nite and Mantrid are wolves and humans have got the network contacts to end it. It is possible that Talesin and/or Sky is part of some complicated wolf ploy, but I believe it’s a simple case of one side’s lying and one side’s telling the truth. I believe Talesin and Sky. At this point I think Pulse is the seer and Sky is the psychic. The guardian is probably dead, but he could be bruteforce or even MuffinMan. If I’m wrong, then the wolves have being playing a blinder of a game. It would mean that Sky prepared for a role as a fake psychic all along, and that the wolves built their own network. Talesin HAS to be human. There’s no way he could risk coming out in the open like that if he was a wolf, otherwise the real seer could still be alive. If he’s being played by a wolf… well the possibilities are insanely complicated. I think it’s too unlikely to be true.
Day 6
Bruteforce is an ex-human. Pretty much what I expected. If I’d been forced to bet on the death, it would have been him or Pulse. I’m glad it was him, as that means we’re probably going to get a seer report shortly. Humans shouldn’t have any problems, since they have enough players to instalynch who they want. In fact, as long as Talesin, MuffinMan, Pulse and Sky are human, and work together, they can’t loose, since even if they killed the other human first before the wolves, they would still win. The seer could reveal himself now, it’s no longer a problem. He may wish to survive the entire game though, but it really shouldn’t make a difference. It’s just a matter of finishing things off now. At least I hope so, otherwise the humans are few in number, with no seer or psychic and in deep trouble. Talesin confirms Mantrid is a wolf. No surprise there. Mantrid lynches himself and at the same time confirms he was a wolf. Telling everyone Hellfire is the other wolf makes no real difference: Either Hellfire or Cold Nite will be scanned. If they are found to be a wolf they will be lynched, if they aren’t, the other will be. Game over. Well… I suppose the seer might get wolfed, but they may still be able to communicate the results of their scan, so by all rights, tomorrow should be the last day.
Day 7
Pulse is deceased. Unfortunate, but I am happy to learn that he was indeed the seer, as this basically proves that Talesin is human. Seeing as there’s only one wolf left, and Pulse’s seering from just before the grave tells us it’s Cold Nite, then it’ll be all over in a matter of hours.
It’s done. GG humans.
First, great story lolfighter. Talesin's additions were also quite good. I made some notes for some of the time, they are kind of organized, I might as well post them here.
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| First, I am a human, no special role (three games in a row, how boring) April 10 (day 3) Sky: suspects MuffinMan, claims to have info from a possible psychic, wants to have MuffinMan killed to test the theory (ask him if the psychic said how many wolves are left) BadKarma: Many have said that his behavior seems like a wolf, I don't know what to think about that, pm info from muffinman on first day seems like normal behavior Swiftspear: keeps complaining that he is out of the loop, has a general suspicion about BadKarma Talesin: not very active, bandwagon voter every day, I suspect him Renegade: not very active, jumps in for random votes and then leaves, he should have time for the game since he ran the last one, seems suspicious, i'll come back to that later Nemesis Zero: active, random votes Mantrid: bandwagon vote against BadKarma with no explanation, called out by brute force ---------------- April 11 (night 4) Sky tried to get nem, swiftspear, and I to vote against muffinman to test his theory, telling each of us that he contacted the other two people. Due to problems with computer accessibility, it doesn't happen. Later, I talk with nem, neither of us is very sure on the plan. I then talk with swiftspear, and both of us decide against it. We are willing to blindly trust sky, but we don't think MuffinMan is a wolf, so even if we can trust sky, his plan probably wouldn't work. ---------------- April 12 (day 4, i am dead) Swiftspear: says a lot about how he doesn't have any info, and it would be pointless for the wolves to kill him. I think he's a wolf. Also, he mentions that I sent him a PM frequently in past twg's. That only happened in the first one, after both of us were dead. I'm never very active with IRC PM's without a good reason (like the alliance that might have formed between us due to sky) Talesin: claims that the seer has told him that Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are wolves. If he is to be believed, there is indeed a network being formed. Still, it doesn't explain his bandwagon against BadKarma, who he doesn't mention as being a wolf. If I was alive, I would trust this over Sky's story. Then again, they could both be telling the truth, in which case Sky is almost certain to be in danger, being the only connection to the psychic. Sky would be my target if I were Swiftspear or Nemesis Zero. Hopefully, Sky will respond to Talesin's post by telling him that he knows who the psychic is, and for the seer to check him to create a seer-psychic alliance. With there being no sign that any of the wolves had been openly discovered, why would the wolves take out one of their own? Not that this makes Talesin's story less credible, I just don't understand where that idea comes from. Conclusion for now: based on the sky-swift-nem0-me group, and based on sky's wish to kill muffinman, and based on swift's response, and based on talesin's post (well written story, by the way), if swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are actually wolves, then so is Muffin Man. Reasoning: If Swiftspear was a wolf and Muffin Man wasn't, then Swiftspear would not have worked as hard as he did to convince me not to go along with Sky's plan to kill Muffin Man. He would have been happy to have a human killed, plus be part of a group that trusted him. Even if suspicions were cast, the finger could have easily been pointed at Sky, rather than him. I finally realized how much I trust Talesin's story, I have started looking for evidence that Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are wolves, at least subconsciously. I mentioned before that Swiftspear said we talked a lot in PM conversations in previous games, and how that wasn't very accurate. This seems suspicious to me now. Swiftspear contacted ME during TWG 1, and I already pointed out in this game that I died immediately in TWG 2. Looking at the votes, Cold NiTe and Snidely will probably both hold votes against Swiftspear at the end of the day. Talesin should probably combine his vote with theirs, it doesn't seem like he has any reason to vote for Nemesis Zero over Swiftspear. If Sky isn't seer'd, then it had better be Snidely or Cold NiTe. April 13 (still day 4) From IRC discussion, it is brought up once again that experienced players are dying fast. Swiftspear is experienced, and he has been accused. Renegade has been left unmentioned. Is he a wolf, what's the deal with that? MuffinMan supports Swiftspear in IRC. This supports my view that if Swift and Nem are wolves, so is Muffin Man. Also, Swiftspear makes the point that it is either killing Swift and Nem, or killing Talesin (along with accusing Talesin of being a wolf), and that killing Swift and Nemesis Zero gives the game to the wolves if they aren't wolves. This is the same reasoning Sky (a wolf) used at the end of TWG 3. MuffinMan and Snidely debate who is telling the truth. I figure one side is being led by wolves, I'm surprised that both sides have a figurehead making the argument outside of the group of people accusing or being accused. Swiftspear openly connected Sky to the psychic in IRC by saying <+SwiftSpear> did sky/mystery psychic contact you today? Talesin already said in the thread that he had been contacted by someone claiming to know the psychic. Swiftspear knows who this has to be. If Swiftspear is human, this would make no sense, because Talesin would be a wolf and would be lying anyway. If he is a wolf, then it means that fingers aren't necessarily pointed at him when Sky is wolfed (which is what I expect to happen). April 14 (still day 4, transition to night 5) IRC: <+TheMuffinMan> ****, just realised that it is an insta-lynch This was in response to him changing his vote from Talesin to Nemesis Zero. I can't believe he didn't realize it, considering how many times it was mentioned. Is it a coverup, or did he really miss something that obvious? If Hellfire3k had gotten a phantom vote, and all 4 wolves were still alive, then they could have ended the game by voting for Hellfire3k a day early. April 16 (day 5) Interesting shift in target by Swiftspear and company. Here's the PM I sent to lolfighter: **** The four wolves: Nemesis Zero, Swiftspear, Cold NiTe, TheMuffinMan. Swiftspear's lies about his interaction with me make it easy for me to see that he is a wolf. It easily follows that Nemesis Zero is a wolf. Cold NiTe's statement "Vote Sky. Him and I'm Lost both know why." makes it obvious to me that he is a wolf, in the same way that Swiftspear's statements make it obvious. That leaves Mantrid or TheMuffinMan. Like I told you before, Swiftspear was trying too hard to defend TheMuffinMan when Sky was trying to rally us all together, so if Swiftspear was a wolf, then so was TheMuffinMan. TheMuffinMan's last-minute vote change to Nemesis Zero was meant to gain trust. I finally figured it out. **** A question to Talesin. Why did you have early game bandwagon votes if you knew who a few of the wolves were anyway? After Talesin revealed that TheMuffinMan is a human, my guess above can't be correct. I stand by my guess that Nemesis Zero, Swiftspear, and Cold NiTe are wolves, and I don't have any idea on who the fourth wolf is. Cold NiTe seems to have enough suspicion, it appears that the wolves depend on their final member staying elusive. This probably means that The wolves have to kill the seer. I wonder how many people recognize the importance of keeping a phantom vote off of Hellfire3k. April 16 (night 6) After Swiftspear died, he contacted me. Obviously, he confirmed that he and Nemesis Zero were wolves. I asked him about Cold NiTe, and Cold NiTe is also a wolf. Apparently Mantrid is the last wolf, and since he is the only other person that voted for Talesin, it should be easy enough for the humans to guess. Sky is obviously the psychic, apparently Snidely was the seer. It looks like the humans should win, again. Sky actually believes that I contacted Swiftspear and said I was the psychic. I certainly did not do that. He will find out at the end of the game, though. |
One final comment, if anyone of you ever accuses me of "loghunting", I promise I will vote for you every day after that until I have a really good reason for voting for someone else.
First of all, excellent story lolfighter.
There is one thing I'm confused about, and im lost even kinda mentioned it in his log:
There is one thing I'm confused about, and im lost even kinda mentioned it in his log:
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| Talesin: claims that the seer has told him that Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are wolves. If he is to be believed, there is indeed a network being formed. Still, it doesn't explain his bandwagon against BadKarma, who he doesn't mention as being a wolf. If I was alive, I would trust this over Sky's story. Then again, they could both be telling the truth, in which case Sky is almost certain to be in danger, being the only connection to the psychic. Sky would be my target if I were Swiftspear or Nemesis Zero. Hopefully, Sky will respond to Talesin's post by telling him that he knows who the psychic is, and for the seer to check him to create a seer-psychic alliance. |
I really am surprised that I survived the entire game. Actually, I'm more surprised that the wolves didn't kill me before I had a chance to come out. Were you hoping that I was going to lead you to the 'real' psychic?
Now, for my own contribution to the logs, here's an irc pm between Snidely and me right after im lost got the boot:
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| <Skyhigh> yo * Skyhigh pokes snidely <Skyhigh> ..... <Snidely> oh, hi <Snidely> sorry about that, nodding off <Skyhigh> save this <Skyhigh> log, i mean <Skyhigh> i've been talking to swift and nem0 for a few days <Skyhigh> revealing info, suspicions, and such <Snidely> ! <Skyhigh> including the fact that I've received overtures from someone claiming to be the psychic (anonymously) <Skyhigh> im_lost was in that group <Skyhigh> he got wolfed <Snidely> I've been in touch with nem, but no revelations <Skyhigh> i might be next <Skyhigh> if i go tonight, nem and swift are most likely wolves <Skyhigh> they probably want to muzzle the psychic's mouthpiece before i say anything <Skyhigh> btw, there are still 4 wolves left, according to him <Snidely> i suspected as much <Skyhigh> so, we're nearly screwed <Snidely> nem, swift, mantrid and muffin <Skyhigh> muffin! <Skyhigh> yes! <Snidely> i reckon so. <Skyhigh> i said that to nem0 and lost <Snidely> just look at his dodgy reasoning <Skyhigh> i focused more on the fact that he pursued slacky relentlessly <Snidely> not only that, but he's persuaded us not to group together etc. <Skyhigh> we had all forgotten about it, then he brought it up again... <Snidely> the seer'll get this log, don't you worry <Skyhigh> mkay <Skyhigh> i pmed talesin, and my contact said he'd anonymously email him as well <Skyhigh> seems an awful lot of work to write that whole thing up if he was faking it >_> <Snidely>  <Snidely> as i said, wolves have no reason to act so recklessly <Snidely> they're trumping us <Skyhigh> pretty much <Skyhigh> however it is nice to remember that when _I_ was the psychic in the first twg <Snidely> hopefully we can still turn it around <Skyhigh> i managed to expose 2 of the 3 wolves right at the end <Skyhigh> mvp ftw ^_^ <Snidely> <Snidely> i'm off to bed now. g'night. <Skyhigh> night <Snidely> oh, one more thing - please keep a record of anything a suspect wolf says while i'm not here, would be nice of you |
No, I'm not that much of a **** to needlessly brag about being the psychic in previous games. That was mostly to highlight the whole "I'm not the psychic" message, just in case I was getting played a second time. >_>
Speaking of which, I'm looking forward to just being a vanilla human next game.
It'd be a cruel cruel joke if I turned out to be the psychic again.
From my talk with Swiftspear after we were both dead, they honestly thought I was the psychic, which is why Swiftspear falsely claimed that I contacted him. Also, after Nem was voted out, they thought Snidely was the seer, which is why they killed him. After that, you made it clear that you were the psychic, which meant that they couldn't really kill you.
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| Day 5: Snidely pushing up the daisies. That was a surprise to me. I expected the wolves to leave the most obvious supporter of Talesin alone as it seemed to incriminate them further. I had expected them to knock off Hellfire3k or bruteforce, as they hadn’t been taking a very active role, and could be killed without suspicion. In the end I reasoned that they had decided it wasn’t safe for them to leave Snidely alive any longer, since he was basically out reasoning them (or so I thought) and generally being a pain in their wolfy backsides. |
During day 4, when there was only me, Pulse and Talesin voting for Nem, I tried to canvass for votes. I sent pretty much this PM out to Cold Nite, Brute and Hellfire. IIRC, Sky had already been in touch, but hadn't voted at this point.
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| The reason I haven't come out is that we needed one final drama to bring out the other two wolves. It's clear to me, at least, that they are TheMuffinMan and Mantrid. Muffin has advocated humans not sticking together and jumped on the wonedslacky bandwagon for a while. Mantrid has rarely provided reasoning and has jumped on most bandwagons. I couldn't be sure of either. This was a risky venture, but I'm pretty sure we've uncovered the wolves now. I suspect Saltz got in touch with Swift, and was the guardian. Either that, or he was killed to throw us off. I'm Lost was the pyschic, and confided in Sky, who has confided in me. Before he died, no wolves had been found. Note that I don't know for sure if you're a wolf or not. I'm taking a risk here. Feel free to get in touch with [other contacts]. |
I had figured that Cold Nite was the misled humie. Obviously, I couldn't be sure, so I left Pulse out of it.
I don't know whether or not they thought I was the seer at that point. I'll be interested to know. I told Brute outright that I was the seer on IRC, I don't know if that caused any problems later on.
Oh yeah, and I honestly thought Nem0 and Swift were humans for the first ~2 days. Note to self: don't form opinions so quickly.
I never understood why you were so adamant about killing TheMuffinMan when you contacted us. Your idea of testing the psychic kind of makes sense, but since you were the psychic, it makes absolutely no sense to me. I trusted you at that point, mostly because I had nothing else to go with, but after I actually spent time thinking about it, and talking with Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero, I had decided that killing MuffinMan was a bad idea, because he probably wasn't a wolf. Swift and Nem probably could have convinced me to vote for MuffinMan if they had tried, but instead they killed me. Apparently your attempt at creating a network misled everyone about who the psychic was, so it worked out really well.
Out of curiosity, how many humans realized that letting the Nemesis Zero/Talesin vote be decided randomly was a 50/50 chance for a wolf win right there? If Talesin died and Hellfire3k got a phantom vote, it was over.
Out of curiosity, how many humans realized that letting the Nemesis Zero/Talesin vote be decided randomly was a 50/50 chance for a wolf win right there? If Talesin died and Hellfire3k got a phantom vote, it was over.
Great game everyone, very well played. It's evident everyone here is gaining more experience quickly.
Excellent story telling on lolfighter's part, and 30 pages makes it our longest TWG yet.
Although I didn't have much to do with this game I admit I wasn't surprised or upset that I died, maybe it's just the fact that I'm used to dieing early in other TWG's, but I had a feeling I was the wolf target on night one this time around. >_>
A couple of side comments, early in this game I heard some people talking about how the Guardian seems to be a useless role as they haven't saved anyone yet. I should clarify the role of the Guardian a bit more. If the Guardian does manage to actually save a human from being wolfed this gives the humans a HUGE advantage as they will have a confirmed human who can form an alliance with the Seer, Psychic, and Guardian. The Guardian acts more of a deterierent forcing the wolves to maybe think twice about who they want to kill off, and perhaps not going after the obvious target.
For the sign ups, it's going to be done a little differently this time. As we're moving onto TWG V now, changes may be ready to be made. I would like everyone who wishes to host next game to email me at freak83ATgmailDOTcom. In this email include the following:
Your forum name
How many player slots will be open in your game
The number of wolves
Description of the game
For description of the game either put "Standard TWG game" which will be played with 3 or 4 wolves and done in the same format as the first four TWG's. If you want to make any crazy changes to gameplay, number of teams, kills per night, etc. then include a vivid description of your game and how it will be played. I may contact you back about balance issues if neccisary. Once I have gotten all applications there will be a new thread either in this forum or Off Topic where all the game hosts applications will be shown in the first post and players can vote on their prefered host for the next game.
Requirements are that you have played in at least one TWG before and have an understanding of the game.
5:00 PM EST on Tuesday sounds like a fair deadline for host applications.
EDIT: lolfighter, can you quote these last paragraphs about hosting and edit it into your first post.
Excellent story telling on lolfighter's part, and 30 pages makes it our longest TWG yet.
Although I didn't have much to do with this game I admit I wasn't surprised or upset that I died, maybe it's just the fact that I'm used to dieing early in other TWG's, but I had a feeling I was the wolf target on night one this time around. >_>
A couple of side comments, early in this game I heard some people talking about how the Guardian seems to be a useless role as they haven't saved anyone yet. I should clarify the role of the Guardian a bit more. If the Guardian does manage to actually save a human from being wolfed this gives the humans a HUGE advantage as they will have a confirmed human who can form an alliance with the Seer, Psychic, and Guardian. The Guardian acts more of a deterierent forcing the wolves to maybe think twice about who they want to kill off, and perhaps not going after the obvious target.
For the sign ups, it's going to be done a little differently this time. As we're moving onto TWG V now, changes may be ready to be made. I would like everyone who wishes to host next game to email me at freak83ATgmailDOTcom. In this email include the following:
Your forum name
How many player slots will be open in your game
The number of wolves
Description of the game
For description of the game either put "Standard TWG game" which will be played with 3 or 4 wolves and done in the same format as the first four TWG's. If you want to make any crazy changes to gameplay, number of teams, kills per night, etc. then include a vivid description of your game and how it will be played. I may contact you back about balance issues if neccisary. Once I have gotten all applications there will be a new thread either in this forum or Off Topic where all the game hosts applications will be shown in the first post and players can vote on their prefered host for the next game.
Requirements are that you have played in at least one TWG before and have an understanding of the game.
5:00 PM EST on Tuesday sounds like a fair deadline for host applications.
EDIT: lolfighter, can you quote these last paragraphs about hosting and edit it into your first post.
Is it too soon to split up into a Euro game and an American game? It would certainly help with communication.
Freak83, I don't think you mentioned it before midway through this game that everyone knows who the guardian tried to save. I always assumed that it was simply said that no one died that night (which is what happened in the game I watched in real life, where the guardian saved herself twice).
Freak83, I don't think you mentioned it before midway through this game that everyone knows who the guardian tried to save. I always assumed that it was simply said that no one died that night (which is what happened in the game I watched in real life, where the guardian saved herself twice).
I think you lost me there oO
If the Guardian succesfully saves someone, in the story it would be like, <x Player died,> and then something like, <X player woke up and said "No, something saved me">
Uh of course a lot more professional looking than that I hope.
EDIT: How many people actually think it's neccisary for a different European/North American TWG? I personally feel it's been working fine for communication, the days are usually long enough to have communication between players.
If the Guardian succesfully saves someone, in the story it would be like, <x Player died,> and then something like, <X player woke up and said "No, something saved me">
Uh of course a lot more professional looking than that I hope.
EDIT: How many people actually think it's neccisary for a different European/North American TWG? I personally feel it's been working fine for communication, the days are usually long enough to have communication between players.
Great game guys, but i had a really weird feeling, which i pm'ed to lol fighter that Nem and Talesin were the wolves, well as they say 1 out of 2 aint bad 
| QUOTE (im lost @ Apr 23 2005, 11:48 AM) |
| Is it too soon to split up into a Euro game and an American game? It would certainly help with communication. Freak83, I don't think you mentioned it before midway through this game that everyone knows who the guardian tried to save. I always assumed that it was simply said that no one died that night (which is what happened in the game I watched in real life, where the guardian saved herself twice). |
Guardian can't save himself, I thought.
And mostly I was adamant about killing Muffin because 1) I wanted to win the trust of my chosen contacts, and 2) because he was more likely a wolf than stg.
Obviously my efforts to win swift and nem's trust kinda worked in a weird way; they must have thought that I trusted them completely and would defend them if necessary....
| QUOTE (FreakEightyThree @ Apr 23 2005, 09:55 AM) |
| EDIT: How many people actually think it's neccisary for a different European/North American TWG? I personally feel it's been working fine for communication, the days are usually long enough to have communication between players. |
You edited your post after someone posted after you, I don't know how many people would have seen it, so I'm reposting the question.
The issue I have is that when I wake up and start reading through the logs, I see a whole bunch of stuff that I wish I could have responded to. But the people that made the statements are asleep, or no longer in the channel, or at work/school. If there were several hours during the day when everyone was awake and around, and the majority of people slept during the same time period, then it wouldn't be an issue. There are also people that actually turn their computer off when they go to sleep, and they completely miss what the people on the other side of the world discussed. This is also a little bit of an issue for me, because I will get disconnected from gamesurge randomly, and I haven't figured out how to make HydraIRC automatically rejoin password-protected channels. (If anyone can tell me how to do that it would be great.)
| QUOTE (Sky) |
| Guardian can't save himself, I thought. |
Correct, but they could in the first game I watched.
| QUOTE (FreakEightyThree @ Apr 23 2005, 11:55 AM) |
| EDIT: How many people actually think it's neccisary for a different European/North American TWG? I personally feel it's been working fine for communication, the days are usually long enough to have communication between players. |
I agree. Although I was sweating bullets throughout a large part of day four, due to the people who hadn't voted not being around yet...
A few hours before my death I'd actually tried to PM too people about Nem0 being a wolf in case of my death that night (and the gaurding coming from that if he wasn't a wolf, it would have been fairly reasonable for him to be wolfed) - unfortunately, my internet connection died beforehand. So all I got to do was stick my tongue out to Nem0 after I was dead in a PM to him
The funniest part was that one of the two people I tried to PM unsuccessfully was the least visible wolf - Mantrid. He'd likely have failed to report Nem0, implicating himself. 2 for one would have been the best trade ever. But in the end I gave up after connection loss, thinking 'what the heck, it would be a really dumb wolf move anyway'. Luck failed me, because the wolves too banked on luck when killing me off the bat
The funniest part was that one of the two people I tried to PM unsuccessfully was the least visible wolf - Mantrid. He'd likely have failed to report Nem0, implicating himself. 2 for one would have been the best trade ever. But in the end I gave up after connection loss, thinking 'what the heck, it would be a really dumb wolf move anyway'. Luck failed me, because the wolves too banked on luck when killing me off the bat
Im actually gonna last a while in one of these dealies someday.
| QUOTE (im lost @ Apr 23 2005, 11:36 AM) |
| Out of curiosity, how many humans realized that letting the Nemesis Zero/Talesin vote be decided randomly was a 50/50 chance for a wolf win right there? If Talesin died and Hellfire3k got a phantom vote, it was over. |
I definitely realised this, which is one of the reasons why pretending to be against Talesin was so risky. I was also a hairs width from getting voted out, although i got some interesting conversations with swift out of it.
I did not keep a journal, but the only person who i was always suspicious off was Swiftspear. I was pretty sure from Day One onwards that he was a wolf, or a very dodgy human.
| QUOTE (BadKarma @ Apr 23 2005, 12:35 PM) |
| Im actually gonna last a while in one of these dealies someday. |
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you.
Same goes for Renegade, actually.On an unrelated note, I just had the pleasure of deleting the 42 messages from my combined inbox and outbox that were related to TWG IV.
42....
Less than a week till THGTTG
| QUOTE (Sky @ Apr 23 2005, 11:12 AM) | ||
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you. Same goes for Renegade, actually. |
Is that why there haven't been any serious accusations against me (except from a wolf), because my avatar just seems so clueless and innocent?
| QUOTE (im lost @ Apr 23 2005, 01:14 PM) | ||||
Is that why there haven't been any serious accusations against me (except from a wolf), because my avatar just seems so clueless and innocent? |
No, we're all afraid that, if we vote for you, the guy in your sig is going to come after us. A fate worse than death, that'd be. >_>
| QUOTE (Sky @ Apr 23 2005, 01:12 PM) |
| Less than a week till THGTTG |
Eh?
| QUOTE (TheMuffinMan @ Apr 23 2005, 01:17 PM) | ||
Eh? |
| QUOTE (Sky @ Apr 23 2005, 11:17 AM) | ||||||
No, we're all afraid that, if we vote for you, the guy in your sig is going to come after us. A fate worse than death, that'd be. >_> |
I guess Swiftspear should be very afraid then.
Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
And I have become horribly redundant.
It's OK to edit your posts in this thread.
| QUOTE (Sky @ Apr 23 2005, 11:12 AM) | ||
I don't know about anyone else, but your avatar seems mean enough imo that I'm always just a tad subconsciously suspicious of you. Same goes for Renegade, actually. |
Duly noted!
| QUOTE (Sky @ Apr 23 2005, 01:20 PM) |
If you haven't read the books, you won't get the reference, I'm afraid.  |
Ah ha, i am also looking forward to the movie. I have just never seen the abbreviation 'THGTTG' before
Time for my journal I guess.
(Beware, it's a biggie.)
(Beware, it's a biggie.)
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| TWG IV: Freya The Host's Point of View Pregame: The cards have been dealt. The humans have the advantage of an experienced psychic, Sky. He was the psychic in TWG I, and he saw the other side as a wolf in TWG III. The other two human roles, Pulse (seer) and SaltzBad (guardian) are new to the game. The wolves have an experienced player, Swiftspear, who played in TWG I and II, but is new to being a wolf. docchimpy played in TWG III, but was killed early on. Nemesis Zero and Cold NiTe are new to the game. Night one: Pulse seers Talesin - a human. SaltzBad protects TheMuffinMan. The wolves kill Freak. One human down, and one of the most experienced ones, too. Maybe I shouldn't earlier in the week have said that this was what I'd do if I were a wolf... Day one: wonedslackystyle manages to get a bandwagon going against him and shoots up to five votes, more than halfway to an instalynch, within a few hours. Oh the drama! So much drama! Looks like the game is off to a good start. Poor slacky. He made rather valid points (although he IS accusing a fellow human), and it gets everyone going against him. I'm a little worried about instalynch at the moment. Hope it won't happen, as I am NOT writing the next chapter before sunday. Too tired. *yawn* im lost immediately changes his vote after I announce the current votes. I guess I'm happy about that. I'm certain slacky is. Random thought: <slackykingofgorges> I mention it because it was a tip for next game, every wolf in history on this forum lynched a good player on night 1 I took issue with that statement, and did some research: In TWG I, urinalcake was wolfed on the first night. Since this was the first game on these forums, how would the wolves know whether he was a good player or not? In TWG II, it was im lost. Since im lost survived until night three (where he was wolfed) in TWG I, he may have established himself as a good player or not. Hard to say. In TWG III, it was Abra. Same case as with im lost, except that he managed to survive the (rather short) TWG II. To summarize: wonedslackystyle may or not be right about his statement, but if I were in the game I would take issue with it. Ah well. I know he's human, so he means well. Another thought: <Sky|work> for the record, and this coming from someone who had to work with slacky last game as a wolf, he's like that all the time That does indeed seem to be the case. wonedslackystyle's style of playing is rather different from the other players, who seem to be more reluctant and careful. slacky plays with a very "in your face" style. And I've always wanted to say "in your face." It seems that everyone (as least as far as they are willing to admit to in public) is determined not to instalynch slacky. I'll be able to sleep soundly tonight, not having to fear an instalynch. And yet another thought: <Skyhigh> first of all, what are the odds, that freak would have been a wolf two times in a row... Not very good. However, this question is irrelevant. The relevant question would be "what are the odds that Freak is a wolf in this game when he was one in the last game?" And the answer, of course, would be: "Same as if he HADN'T been a wolf last game." We have a situation on our hands by now: Three players, docchimpy, Psyke and Some tall guy, appear to be inactive. Damn, what a hassle. Why does this have to happen to me? About three hours left and I haven't heard anything from the inactives. I start contacting other players about joining the game. In order: Chrono, Hellfire3k, Mantrid. It looks like slacky is going to get lynched. If anything, I blame his very outspoken manner. He throws his weight around and is not afraid to go toe to toe with anyone. Maybe the game needs more players than him. But it seems like it will now have one less. Not at all to my surprise, slacky gets lynched. Freak and slacky, probably our most experienced players, gone right at the start of the game. Interesting... Night two: During a netsplit involving only me, Nemesis Zero and Snidely, Snidely tells Nem that he has been talking with Swiftspear about slacky, offering to share the details of the conversation (in PM I presume). Little does he suspect (or does he?) that he is talking to a wolf about a conversation he had with a wolf. Snidely is in danger of becoming an ally of the wolves. Nothing good can come of this... well, nothing good for the humans at least. :D SaltzBad decides to protect Nemesis Zero for the night. I don't think there's much of a chance that he will successfully avert a kill... Some tall guy tells me that his inactivity is due to massive ISP problems. I'll replace him last, to give him time to get back in the game if possible. Pulse seers Nemesis Zero. Can't say I'm surprised, I suspected that Nem would be the first wolf to be detected or lynched. Being famous has its drawbacks. Mantrid takes docchimpy's place as a wolf (or at least he confirms that he wants to play, and I give him the word). Waiting for reply. I get a PM from Nemesis Zero, stating that the wolves have decided to kill SaltzBad. Poor SaltzBad, killed by the very person he sought to protect. The irony is delicious. What is it with guardians? Apparrently, being appointed guardian is a death sentence. After close to 48 hours, Hellfire3k responds. Hellfire takes over for Psyke. That should take care of the inactives I hope. SaltzBad is killed. I'm a little disappointed - I had something quite great (imo) in store in case SaltzBad should manage to prevent a wolf kill. Durn. End of night two. Day two: <Pulse> so Nem|reading, what is your analysis of the game so far? Not a bad move considering that Pulse knows that Nem is a formtaker. I'd have done it in PM though. <Pulse> I think wonedslackystyle may have been a wolf Dead wrong. :) Try asking Sky, he knows. Some tall guy is still not exactly a bastion of activity, and it seems like he will be lynched because of it. Some tall guy gets lynched. Incidentally, Sky, the psychic, voted for him. He won't be happy to hear that he got the wrong guy. Night three: Pulse seers Snidely. This brings his knowledge to two confirmed humans and a confirmed wolf. I would really like to ask him whether he's actively talking to Talesin (and will talk to Snidely), but I know I shouldn't, so I won't. The wolves decide on im lost. The wolves change their vote to Renegade. Day three: Quote Nemesis Zero: "A nod to the guardian, by the way - so far, your job was pure luck, which is why I'm not going to blame you for any death so far, but we're starting to arrive at a point where the net target is relatively forseeable, so I'd appreciate if lol wouldn't have to invent a new source of death" Of course, this is all lies. But I wonder if the wolves know that they have already slaughtered the guardian. This post, of course, has nothing to do with it, it's just smokescreen - but SaltzBad died on night two. The wolves were either extremely lucky, or they had gained knowledge that the humans really did not want them to have. If Pulse and/or Sky bites the dust now, things could look very bleak for the humans indeed. Quote TheMuffinMan: "I agree with your points 100% nem, but the killing of saltzbad is starting to grate on me. Perhaps he said the wrong thing to a wolf." Wow. Is he on to something? Did TheMuffinMan know that SaltzBad was the guardian? Quote Nemesis Zero: "This might be a dangerous suggestion, but maybe it's best to ignore Saltz' wolfing for a second. He's simply too likely to be a deception." OH MY GOD! Did EVERYONE know that SaltzBad was the guardian? What does this mean? WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? I wish I could ask the players, but even the subtlest of questions are liable to give away something. Ah, I will know in the postgame thread. Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are rehearsing for the big concert. Or to put it differently, they're playing the humans like a fiddle. Or to be entirely precise, they're trying to. I cannot know how many of the humans are buying it, but I know for certain that Pulse is not. Talesin and Snidely, both having been seered and therefore probably contacted by him, are probably not buying it either. Pulse and his crew are being smart. Instead of trying to move on Nemesis Zero, they are waiting, hoping that he will incriminate other wolves. They don't have the numbers to take the wolves on yet, either. Intermission: <TheMuffinMan> this NIALL thing is horrible :( <TheMuffinMan> it keeps asking me for my name, then calling me NIALL and then saying "fair enough" after i explain why my name is not NIALL :( <brute_force> fair enough <TheMuffinMan> :( I know that Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero are both wolves, so my judgement is not objective. But I believe that to Pulse, who knows that Nemesis Zero is a wolf, Swiftspear must look rather suspicious. To throw the seer off, those two need to act out a good disagreement bordering on a flamewar or something. However, they do not know that one of them has been seered. I shall not be surprised if Swiftspear is seered next. I get a PM from Freak, detailing his suspicions: <[sA]Freak83> my current thoughts - Nem is a wolf <[sA]Freak83> Badkarma is a role, no idea which one <[sA]Freak83> nem is aiming for the bandwagon and making it seem like "oh this could help the wolves at the last moment" to boost his own status So that's a positive on Nem and a negative on BadKarma. Next up, SaltzBad shares his suspicions: <SaltzBad> I wouldn't be surprised if I gaurded 2 wolves, but I did at least 1 <lolfighter> Let's hear them and I'll comment on them in my journal. :D <SaltzBad> Psyke, ColdNite, TheMuffinMan, SwiftSpear, Nemesis0 are my prime suspects. I haven't really thought about it much lately and threw away my notes post death (forgot to pass them on beforehand anyway), but it was based on the voting shifts and a few select oddities in behaviour <SaltzBad> Possible also docchimpy or his replacement. Two misses, but he got all the wolves. Kinda like buckshot. Wait, a guardian with a shotgun? The wolves did well in killing him it seems. The general consensus seems to be that Talesin and/or BadKarma are wolves. This, of course, is not the case. However, it is likely that one of them is going to die. I would place my money on BadKarma - if Pulse has been talking to his confirmed humans, Talesin has two allies that will probably change their votes to save him if necessary. If they do, will the wolves suspect something? And what will Sky do when he learns that the humans have taken yet another casaulty? He has been somewhat quiet so far, perhaps in an effort to avoid getting killed. In TWG I, he managed to salvage the game from what seemed like a certain wolf victory. Will it be necessary for him to do this again? CAN he do it again? Tune in next week to find out! Err... BadKarma gets lynched. Phantom votes for Cold NiTe and Hellfire3k. Night four: Random thought: Sky has had a special role in all three of his games. Two stints as a psychic, one as a wolf. So... Did I predict that Swiftspear was going to get seered? I did, didn't I? Yes I did. Pulse seers Swiftspear, bringing the number of confirmed wolves to two - Nemesis Zero and Swiftspear. Unless the wolves kill Pulse soon, things are looking good for the humans. I get a PM from Swiftspear: im lost is their next victim, but subject to change. No change. im lost dies. Day four: Snidely votes for Swiftspear. At the same time, he brings forward quite a lot of good points to back his theory. Aside from that, if Pulse has been talking, Snidely KNOWS that Swiftspear is a wolf. It seems like Pulse is going to use Snidely to speak for him. I chat with the deceased im lost, and he offers to tell me a little about his secret communications since I had lamented how I didn't know anything about them (for example, although I did not tell him that, I am incredibly curious whether Pulse is networking or not. I believe he is, but I can't be sure). I figure that it can't hurt, so I give him the go-ahead: <im_lost> sky was working on an alliance with me, swift, and nem <im_lost> he said he has heard from the psychic, but he wouldn't tell us who the psychic is <im_lost> sky thinks muffinman is a wolf <im_lost> and wanted to have him killed to see how the psychic would respond <im_lost> we all were pretty willing to follow sky, since there was nothing else to go with <im_lost> except for the fact that we disagreed about muffinman being a wolf, meaning his plan was useless <im_lost> before i died, the message hadn't gotten back to sky that we weren't going to help him kill muffinman <im_lost> that's what sky's "random" vote against muffinman was about yesterday <im_lost> probably the only reason muffinman lived is because there was difficulties with all of us being at a computer and coordinating votes Well, this certainly puts im lost's death in perspective. It is quite possible that the wolves suspected that im lost might be the psychic that Sky was talking about. The big question is, what will the wolves do? Will they keep Sky alive, hoping to coax the identity of the psychic out of him somehow? Will they kill him to shut up the psychic's spokesperson? Will they kill him because they believe he is the psychic himself? And what is Sky up to? Is he aware of the peril he has placed himself in? Sky is no fool, and im lost died shortly after the (seemingly unstable) alliance with Nemesis Zero and Swiftspear was formed. Will he attribute this to chance, or will he suspect the two? Should I ever forget it, remind that Swiftspear is cold as ice in this game. After Snidely votes for him, he is very outspoken in his defense. If anybody has the impression that he feels hurt by Snidely's accusations, I'm sure that is what Swiftspear intended. He also loudly defends im lost, saying: "For the record by the onset of last night I had talked with lost a fair bit and I was no longer feeling suspicious of him at all." Yet he is the one who killed him. The best part about this is that both are simply putting on a show for the other humans - who can sway the most to his banner? And the question remains whether the wolves are suspicious of Snidely by now or not. Oh my God, plot twist! Talesin poses as the seer (and steals the limelight from my storytelling! Fiend!), exposing Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero as wolves. Correction, he now mentions that he was seered by the seer himself. He also requests that the guardian protect him tonight (no can do). Finally, he votes for Nemesis Zero. The suspense! In IRC, TheMuffinMan speaks strongly for Swiftspear and Nemesis Zero, and against Talesin. I suspect that TheMuffinMan will be seered tonight. The question is, will he believe that he is being contacted by the real seer? Thought: If Nemesis Zero or Swiftspear dies, the life of the psychic, Sky, is probably forfeit. Those two have been in contact with him, and he will probably know too much. On the other hand, they might be afraid to lynch him in case he is really just the psychic's mouthpiece - for the surviving wolf, that would pretty much be an admission of guilt. It seems like the humans are beginning to get on top of the game. By seering two wolves in the first four nights, Pulse laid a solid foundation, but had precious few allies. By having Talesin act as his mouth, and with Snidely supporting him from the sidelines, he is viciously lashing out at the confirmed wolves, who defend themselves with zeal. Talesin says that Matrid will be seered tonight. Let's assume that this is not a bluff: The wolves know that one more wolf will be unmasked. But only three people, Talesin, Pulse and Snidely, will be sure to believe this, and those three are not enough. How will the other humans react when/if Talesin denounces Mantrid? Talesin seems to know this as well: "On a side note, it's actually more of a pain that we DID find two wolves early in the game. Having a larger circle of humans makes things easier... gives you more people to talk to, and narrows the number of might-be wolves." Now Talesin says that they're gonna seer Cold NiTe instead, hoping to find another human. They'll be sorely disappointed. "Blast, ANOTHER wolf!" In fact, this might just make them appear even more suspicious to the unnetworked humans, TheMuffinMan, Sky, brute force and Hellfire3k. Talesin also mentioned that he was contacted by the mouth of the psychic. But im lost is dead. Who else does Sky have contact to? Cold NiTe openly accuses Talesin of bullying and scare-tactics, casting his vote for him at the end of his post. And damn, that's a pretty good post. Nemesis Zero votes for Talesin as well, bringing the total votes up to five, one short of an instalynch. This looks very bad for the humans. If Talesin or any other human dies, the game will be down to ten players, and only nine after night five. In that case, the humans will be outnumbering the wolves by a measily single player, and regardless of what they vote, they lose one player each day. In other words, if Talesin dies, the humans end up in the same situation as in TWG I: They will have to vote off the wolves consecutively, without the slightest error. One more human lynched and the game is over. However, at the moment they still have the seer and the psychic, although the networked humans do not know who the seer is. For quite a while, it looked as though Talesin was going to get lynched for sure. Now he and Nemesis Zero are even, each one vote below instalynch. Hellfire3k has the deciding vote, and he has been absent since day three... In fact, he hasn't posted on the forums since the 9th of April, five days ago. If it comes down to a random lynch between Talesin and Nemesis Zero, I have decided to be a total git: I will post part of the "night five" post, then at the decisive moment I will announce a fifteen minute break (during which I will toss a coin (random.org) to decide on the victim). The players will hate me. :D Five hours left. This could very well be the deciding moment of the game, and it seems like a random vote is going to decide, all because one player is inactive. Why? Oh fortuna, why doest thou mock me like this? Do I not deserve a serious game? Where did I go wrong? Fortuna, I never liked you, you know that? Both sides are playing with very high stakes here. The seer & Co. are risking a lot in having Talesin being so vocal. The wolves, on the other hand, have more or less tipped their hand by all voting for Talesin. This is very much the pivotal point in the game. <Snidely|CRUISIN> What would be REALLY funny is if I'm wrong and lead the humans into the wolves' jaws. That is all. I would really like to reassure Snidely here. After all, he may be right as much as he wants to - he might lose the game anyway. But I can't tell him anything. Should I feel sorry for him, or laugh with sadistic glee? TheMuffinMan informs me that he is going to change his vote to Nemesis Zero, and does so. Nemesis Zero is instalynched. First wolf casaulty. End of a very tumultuous day four. Night five: The night starts off, only fourteen minutes later, with a PM from Swiftspear: brute force will bite the dust. There's 24 hours left until then though, let's see what happens. And I turn out to be right. Just two minutes later, I receive a PM from Cold NiTe. Rather than summarise it, I'll just put it here in its entirety. I'm sure he won't mind. "Okay I got several quick questions and a wolf statement. A.) Is it possible to wolf the seer BEFORE they get to seer anyone? B.) Is it possible to wolf the seer BEFORE they can notify anyone whether the person they seer'ed is a wolf or not. C.) Is it possible to choose who gets wolfed tonight right now, before the other wolves choose? I flushed a certain person out as the seer, so I want to wolf him, I even forwarded the message to the other wolves. However I'm scared they didn't get it and might still try to wolf the wrong guy, the guy I told them was the seer originally before I could worm the info out of him. So if A, B or C is possible at all, then I'd like to let you know my pick. If any of these are a possibility, please notify me. Thanks man." A negative on the first two. Whoever the wolves kill remains fully alive until the end of the night. The third one is strictly speaking a positive, but since I allow the wolves to change their choice during the night, that choice can be changed later on. I believe Cold NiTe feared that this was not possible. A short while later I get another PM from Cold NiTe, with his selection: Snidely. I message him back and tell him that I'm going with Snidely for now (since that is the most current choice), but to contact his fellow wolves and get this mess straightened out. Ah well, no hurry, still 23 hours and 42 minutes remaining. :) Swiftspear messages me again, clearing up the confusion: He is now also for Snidely. How convenient that he also provides an explanation: "Snidely addmitted his seerance to cold nite, thus we must wolf off snidely." I do believe Snidely is doing this specifically to bait Cold NiTe: If he dies, they know that Cold NiTe is a wolf even without seering him. And the wolves are completely falling for it. I wonder why: Why would the seer reveal his identity to an unconfirmed player? The wolves must be getting desperate after today's defeat. Pulse seers TheMuffinMan. I guess his sudden change of vote appears suspicious to him. Day five: In my absense, debate rages, ending in the instalynch of Swiftspear, triggered by Mantrid. In his "goodbye post," he hints at being a human once again, furthering my belief that we should make a zero-tolerance ban on such posts: When you are dead, you do not speak up. Dead players are not supposed to involve themselves in the game, and claiming once again to be human is an attempt to do EXACTLY that. Disappointing. And disappointments rarely come alone it seems. TheMuffinMan attempts to cheat by coaxing information out of me. I have decided to let it slide with a stern warning for now, but he deserves some sort of punishment. I think public exhibition is fitting: <TheMuffinMan> Hey, did you just get a pm? <TheMuffinMan> on the forum, that is <lolfighter> Have you sent me one? I'll go check. <TheMuffinMan> Thanks <lolfighter> I'm sorry, I don't have a PM from you. <lolfighter> Please send it again. <TheMuffinMan> What about Pulse? <TheMuffinMan> nevermind, you near enough confirmed it anyway. Cheers <lolfighter> Huh? <TheMuffinMan> I wanted to see if Pulse was actually the seer and actually just sent you a pm, nevermind <lolfighter> Ah. Well, I can't comment on other people's PMs. <TheMuffinMan> :) <lolfighter> In fact, I am very offended by this. Do you know that it is a quite serious offense to attempt to coax information out of the Host? <lolfighter> I should kill you right now for this. And I will most definitely report this to Freak83. You have personally disappointed me, TheMuffinMan. You seemed like a cool guy. I've said it to you in private, and I think it is a good idea to repeat it: This WILL NEVER happen again. Your second chance is also your last. Make the most of it. Night six: The wolves kill brute force. Pulse seers Mantrid. Only one unconfirmed wolf remaining, and they're already suspecting him. I predict that Mantrid dies on day six, and Cold NiTe on day seven. Day six: The gig is up. Mantrid has been identified and publically denounced as a wolf. Cold NiTe will be seered tonight, of that I am sure, and subsequently lynched. Another human victory is at hand. The only unknown factor is who Cold NiTe will kill tonight. After three people vote for Mantrid, he himself casts the final vote and triggers an instalynch. In his final post, he takes on the guise of a sore loser, claiming that it's all hopeless and that Hellfire3k is the last remaining wolf. If he would manage to get Hellfire3k lynched, that would at least be a moral victory. However, that is extremeley unlikely by this point. Pulse will seer either Hellfire3k or Cold NiTe, and Cold NiTe will subsequently be lynched. Night seven: Pulse seers Cold NiTe. How (not at all) unexpected. Pulse, I like you and I consider you a friend. How sad that this is now going to end, for I shall now do something to you so hideously evil that you will always hate me for it. Throughout the game, you have demanded that I let you eject someone out of an airlock. I had that idea myself, but I have stubbornly refused to do so because you would then claim the glory for yourself. Now Cold NiTe has made you his final kill, and yeah, you're going out that airlock, Pulse. Drink vacuum. :D So in the end, the last remaining wolf managed to kill off the seer. Had it happened earlier, they would have won. C'est la vie. Day seven: Cold NiTe is instalynched. Game over, humans win. |
Lolfighter : I am deeply sorry about that. It was a silly and selfish thing to do and, as i said on IRC, it won't happen again.
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| I do believe Snidely is doing this specifically to bait Cold NiTe: If he dies, they know that Cold NiTe is a wolf even without seering him. And the wolves are completely falling for it. I wonder why: Why would the seer reveal his identity to an unconfirmed player? The wolves must be getting desperate after today's defeat. |
It makes sense after showing y'all the message that got sent to him among others. They probably figured I blundered. It was tense right up until Muffin (that sly old dog (: ) pulled his switcheroo, so it wouldn't be too surprising.
| QUOTE (Snidely @ Apr 23 2005, 06:24 PM) |
| I don't know whether or not they thought I was the seer at that point. I'll be interested to know. I told Brute outright that I was the seer on IRC, I don't know if that caused any problems later on. |
I thought you were the seer until I saw a mention of Pulse in the IRC channel (after I was dead, I think this was on day 7 or something). Heh.
Well, good game guys. It wasn't all that fun to watch from the sidelines, but I knew what to expect due to my level of seniority. I hope the next game is as equally interesting
There's not much to say at this point that hasn't been said before except to pose one question to the wolves and another to everyone.
The question for the wolves is... What happened? When Talesin came out as my mouthpiece, a heated battle ensued and we were an inch away from a wolf victory, then TMM changed sides and Nem was lynched. I expected the next day to have a similar tone, since the last day was a major victory for the humans, you'd think the wolves would try to do something about it. So along comes the next day and (un)surprisingly enough, Snidely is wolfed and then... nothing. It was like the wolves just stopped trying... Were the wolves so convinced that Snidely was the seer that they thought they could just go on to win the game without doing much? Was this part of some kind of plan that I'm not seeing? I'm just wondering.
Secondly, I want to know if anyone ever thought I was the seer or a wolf at any point and why. I ask this out of curiosity (it seemed odd that everyone always seemed to forget that I exist; I'm not that good, am I?), but also out of the desire to become a better player.
The question for the wolves is... What happened? When Talesin came out as my mouthpiece, a heated battle ensued and we were an inch away from a wolf victory, then TMM changed sides and Nem was lynched. I expected the next day to have a similar tone, since the last day was a major victory for the humans, you'd think the wolves would try to do something about it. So along comes the next day and (un)surprisingly enough, Snidely is wolfed and then... nothing. It was like the wolves just stopped trying... Were the wolves so convinced that Snidely was the seer that they thought they could just go on to win the game without doing much? Was this part of some kind of plan that I'm not seeing? I'm just wondering.
Secondly, I want to know if anyone ever thought I was the seer or a wolf at any point and why. I ask this out of curiosity (it seemed odd that everyone always seemed to forget that I exist; I'm not that good, am I?), but also out of the desire to become a better player.
I think I completely forgot about you. You were active enough to not be considered inactive, you didn't do anything controvertial, and I had no idea who you were before this round of TWG.
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| Day four: Snidely votes for Swiftspear. At the same time, he brings forward quite a lot of good points to back his theory. Aside from that, if Pulse has been talking, Snidely KNOWS that Swiftspear is a wolf. It seems like Pulse is going to use Snidely to speak for him. I chat with the deceased im lost, and he offers to tell me a little about his secret communications since I had lamented how I didn't know anything about them (for example, although I did not tell him that, I am incredibly curious whether Pulse is networking or not. I believe he is, but I can't be sure). I figure that it can't hurt, so I give him the go-ahead: <im_lost> sky was working on an alliance with me, swift, and nem <im_lost> he said he has heard from the psychic, but he wouldn't tell us who the psychic is <im_lost> sky thinks muffinman is a wolf <im_lost> and wanted to have him killed to see how the psychic would respond <im_lost> we all were pretty willing to follow sky, since there was nothing else to go with <im_lost> except for the fact that we disagreed about muffinman being a wolf, meaning his plan was useless <im_lost> before i died, the message hadn't gotten back to sky that we weren't going to help him kill muffinman <im_lost> that's what sky's "random" vote against muffinman was about yesterday <im_lost> probably the only reason muffinman lived is because there was difficulties with all of us being at a computer and coordinating votes Well, this certainly puts im lost's death in perspective. It is quite possible that the wolves suspected that im lost might be the psychic that Sky was talking about. The big question is, what will the wolves do? Will they keep Sky alive, hoping to coax the identity of the psychic out of him somehow? Will they kill him to shut up the psychic's spokesperson? Will they kill him because they believe he is the psychic himself? And what is Sky up to? Is he aware of the peril he has placed himself in? Sky is no fool, and im lost died shortly after the (seemingly unstable) alliance with Nemesis Zero and Swiftspear was formed. Will he attribute this to chance, or will he suspect the two? |
/me points to pm with Snidely
Yeah, I figured I was in a bit of hot water there. But laying everything out for everyone to see, all those pms and everything, was the most fun I've ever had in any twg.
And I forgot about Pulse as well. I believe I even forgot to mention you once when I counted the people who still had to vote.
Speaking of which, what was with the wolves and not voting? You'd think that the wolves would make every effort possible to just put down some random vote everyday to avoid a phantom vote.
Reading over that part of lolfighter's log reminded me of something he told me. He figured it would be a good idea for people playing to send pm's to the host when they have something interesting happening, such as meaningful secret communication. It would be completely voluntary, and one-way communication only. The purpose would be so that the host can add that information into their log of the game (if they are making one) in the context of what is happening at the time.
Apparently I'm the only one that thinks a Europe game and a Nort America game is a good idea, I guess.
Apparently I'm the only one that thinks a Europe game and a Nort America game is a good idea, I guess.
Our suspicions about who the seer was went (if I recall correctly), from Snidely, to Brute Force, to Sky, and finally, when it was all too late, to Pulse.
Actually, my random posts and early bandwagoning were exactly what I said they were... the result of extremely long workdays, and not enough time, but not wanting to pick up a phantom vote. And hell, since someone needs to be lynched, and it looks like X is already going to... might as well. The herd mentality. I couldn't say it that way during the game, as I was pretty sure a wolf would pick up on it and use it as extra evidence toward a lynching with me as the centerpiece.
Also, just so you know, my coming out as the mouthpiece was recommended against by Pulse at the time... said to wait a night or two, try to work things without going public. Another factor of the sleep-dep (again, long work-days) was impulsiveness and being a bit 'twitchy'... it seemed like it had to be done, and as soon as possible, as no one was even suspecting Nem or Swift, at least publically.
Also, the apparent 'late' announcement was unexpected, as I said... I really did want Swift to be a human, as he'd have been a very valuable member of the network, for his speaking and persuasion capability. When he came back as a Wolf, the panic set in firm. :b
Also, just so you know, my coming out as the mouthpiece was recommended against by Pulse at the time... said to wait a night or two, try to work things without going public. Another factor of the sleep-dep (again, long work-days) was impulsiveness and being a bit 'twitchy'... it seemed like it had to be done, and as soon as possible, as no one was even suspecting Nem or Swift, at least publically.
Also, the apparent 'late' announcement was unexpected, as I said... I really did want Swift to be a human, as he'd have been a very valuable member of the network, for his speaking and persuasion capability. When he came back as a Wolf, the panic set in firm. :b
gg i seriously got off over the read
Great game, guys...
I've got a 9-to-5 (EDT), but my nights are generally uneventful, so I'm definitely up for the next round if there's room.
I've got a 9-to-5 (EDT), but my nights are generally uneventful, so I'm definitely up for the next round if there's room.
| QUOTE (im lost @ Apr 23 2005, 09:30 PM) |
| Reading over that part of lolfighter's log reminded me of something he told me. He figured it would be a good idea for people playing to send pm's to the host when they have something interesting happening, such as meaningful secret communication. It would be completely voluntary, and one-way communication only. The purpose would be so that the host can add that information into their log of the game (if they are making one) in the context of what is happening at the time. |
I was planning to do this, but by the end of the game, I had two inboxes worth of correspondance. It doesn't help that I lost the first lot to the archiving function.
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| Apparently I'm the only one that thinks a Europe game and a Nort America game is a good idea, I guess. |
I'd like to have two separate games, but if anything, this game has proved that we don't have enough people for that. If only Condizzle hadn't given up his slot. ):
| QUOTE (Mantrid @ Apr 24 2005, 05:26 AM) |
| Our suspicions about who the seer was went (if I recall correctly), from Snidely, to Brute Force, to Sky, and finally, when it was all too late, to Pulse. |
You thought I was the seer? Mind if I ask why? I'm really curious, cause I'm pretty much always in the background, not saying much (which I suppose is kinda seer-like when I think about it).
Anyway, I think this game was the most fun one out of the ones I've played (TWG 3 and 4
- no disrespect to Renegade of course). Nice job on the story and everything lolly
| QUOTE (im lost @ Apr 23 2005, 09:30 PM) |
| Apparently I'm the only one that thinks a Europe game and a Nort America game is a good idea, I guess. |
It would be a good idea if we had enough people for two games, but as Snidely said, we do not. Although perhaps soon there will be enough of a playerbase for two games - the signups for TWG 4 were filled a hell of alot quicker than in previous games.
Speaking of which, there won't be any twg V if people don't apply for the host position.
I was thinking about applying myself, but I don't think any story I write could compete with lolfighter's.
I was thinking about applying myself, but I don't think any story I write could compete with lolfighter's.
| QUOTE (Sky @ Apr 24 2005, 09:09 AM) |
| Speaking of which, there won't be any twg V if people don't apply for the host position. I was thinking about applying myself, but I don't think any story I write could compete with lolfighter's. |
I already sent an e-mail freak's way and applied to host a game.
Sky, go back and read lolfighters first post again.
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