..Yeah, thats a good point too, heh.

fine

Had last written exam today (english ), so it is most likely that I'll get bored during one of the next evenings

I would model this if i had the time or the skill
Of which i have niether
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(I might try to model this v.. later on as my exams start soon)

Woah, everyone seems to have exams, lol.

it's on my list of your concepts... gotta finish the elephant pistol first

can we get some front/top and broken apart drawings? my roomate wants to model it as well.

Wow thats awesome.

Thanks Del, and tell your roomie I said hi and thanks.

Anyways, I have tried many-a-time.. but I cannot draw top or front to save my life... =/

mind if i edit

maybe practice a little more, think about what it would look like in your hand

yes i am saying stand there look like a idiot to any one thats watching and reload this invisable concept turn it hoold it aim c0ck it cheack tis chamber fidn its serial number what ever ya gotta do to picture tis other angles in ya head, then draw them, refer back to ya invisable gun may times, jsut dont refer bac kto ti if some one breaks into your house

sorry for butchering it

Butchering it?! Hell no!

Drake, that thing looks business! I'd hate to be on the recieving end of that!

Thats awesome! Thanks.

dont need to ask me its yours in the first place

if i had the time i woulda colored it for you

Wow thanks Drake... you're the man!

I made it a bit smoother, but kept drake's ideas.

I like it better than my older versions... thanks so much for the upgrade, Drake.

Bad news.

I don't know if I can bring up the time and concentration to model this (stupid mum has cancelled the contract for my flat so I have to look for a new flat and will most likely cut off the internet access due to stupid lawyer crap [stupid mum and dad getting divorces, do the maths...])

I'm sorry, I'm a failure

sorry to hear that obst, i was 5 and still not really over it and the whole ordeal

looks damn hard to model

Try making the grip completely p90-like, but leave the top and mag alone.

What I attatched are some recommendations for the model.

The trigger assembly is too close to the grip.

Blue shows a void in the grip that makes handling of this firearm to look that of a paintball player using a "Z" grip which orientates the firearm more vertically relative to the grip. It would make sense if this weapon was bottom heavy that of a paintball marker, but it isn't.

The blue arrow suggest a separation of the grip from the trigger, back, and rotated from the top, right, about 6 to 9 degrees.

Odd Yellow shows changes to the trigger and foregrip assembly. The trigger itself should be pushed up vertically to align with the new position of the handle. The foregrip itself looks alright, but you might want to make the forward most side of the foregrip a little bit more longer and not so swooped back to help accommodate a more verticle positioning of the palm

Like this?

that looks ridiculous.

Like this?

The lower parts are getting too thin again, and too round....

i'm all for ergonomics man, but this is a weapon concept, not modern furniture design. I'm a sucker for angular designs, yeah, but i mean really. its getting to thin and spindly and over-designed. What happened to beauty in simplicity, more is less, all that. go back to the way it was, give it a nice simple grip and get the placement of the trigger right. this ergonomic crap is ruining it.

For some reason this thread disappeared on me

The alignment of the handle to the trigger is spot on, but the grip shape change took the "raw aggression" look from the weapon.

Keep the handle like before, unshapened and sloped back to the stock, but only tild it slightly forward.

Purple shows the wrapped grip around the handle. Make the grip wrap around to the front of the hand so the pinky, ring, and middle fingers have something to hold on to.

Odd Orange shows where the handle is attached to the stock. Cut that off, and fatten the handle like you had it before.

Weird Green shows the forearm grip. You should increase the height of the grip so the palm rests almost flat(vertically) against the forearm grip.

Green Circle shows where the thumb will approximately sit. That area is the furthrest point from the trigger itself and with such a short weapon you want enough space for the other arm to extend enough to offer the most amount of lateral support. Why care about this now? So it doesn't look funny when you model the animations for it later on

Red Circle shows the little outter bevel protrusion behind the handle. You should make that smaller. from the bottom up, and from the bottom(when you fatten the handle) fill that space with the handle as well. Keep it flat because the space between the thumb and pointer finger around palm rests there.

In short.. cut the handle away from the back. Keep the handle fat like before, but only rotate it slightly forward

This is what I meant by rotating the handle slightly.. don't mind the trigger.. just the handle

It's rotated to the right 8 degrees from the top

Hows this?

every pic so far has been hot sid, keep it up, just remeber you cant plz every one

I don't like the foregrip. How do I go about to fixing it?

Perhaps extend the length of the front section, and make the foregrip like you would on say a famas (but not literally like a famas, but thats where you would put your hands)

How about something more traditional?

Who let the horny H&K dog sleep with the gun?



Looks better.

<3 plain

<3 obst. it looks much much better now. not so hot on the front grip, but i don't have any suggestions so i won't bash it.

wait thats good i like it heaps, leave it liek that

you can tell i am excited cos of my typos

try making the foregrip slightly ergonomic (putting light finger indents into it)

Like this?

hum tat could work but keep it angled

I tried angling it.. the grooves.. well... they just don't look right.

I got rid of the grooves and made a light angle.

sid i really want you to take a step back look at all the variants, and get teh top three you like modeled serious its all up to you

First: (It keeps what I mostly had in mind with a blend of realism)


Second: (Can't beat the original, plus that connected stock = <3)


Third: (Most realistic looking one.. I like it)


Fourth: (I love this thing, man! It's so... crazy!)

very cool, i gotta agree with all your reasons

2 looks like a hard core pistal job

3 looks like a longer barrle rifle style

4 looks like a Aug

1 looks like a uzi