Full Version: Why Do People Bile Bokmb Marines?
I have seen people bile bombing marines, and i wanted to know if ti does any damage to them. After telling someone it does no damage to rines (because thats what it says on the weapon) He replied that it does damage to armour, and not having anyone helpful enough to let me bilebomb them, or be a rine, and let them bilebomb me, i decided to ask the forums. Also this could be a suggestiion, that bilebombs should destroy armour (armour = metal, metal = structures, so it should do it). any ideas answers, comments etc. etc.?
BB used to damage marines back when it was the fades 3d hive ability 
Currently (3.02) it does no damage to marines and lifeforms. Only to structures and mines. If you come across a lone gorge bilebombing you feel free to either knife or weld kill him.
Currently (3.02) it does no damage to marines and lifeforms. Only to structures and mines. If you come across a lone gorge bilebombing you feel free to either knife or weld kill him.
no damage to any armour.
no. no. no.
please read the manual next time.
edit: clarify
no. no. no.
please read the manual next time.
edit: clarify
Manual is old and needs to be updated.
BileBomb does not hurt lifeforms.
BileBomb does not hurt lifeforms.
It has been suggested multiple times, and I think it's a good idea. But like everyone said, it's useless against marines right now.
that would explain why idiots bile bomb the marines.
lofung, i think you should clarify, as i have read the manual, Bile bomb does no damage to lifeforms/rines, but what i am asking is, why do other people. Read my post better next time.
lofung, i think you should clarify, as i have read the manual, Bile bomb does no damage to lifeforms/rines, but what i am asking is, why do other people. Read my post better next time.
To be honest while you think these people are dumb ever thought hey they actually might be clever and you the dumb one?
I mean sometimes in Co_ u need a web gorge? Right?
Well get this a fade and you vs a hmg marine... omg how can u help fade?
Healspray and get in his way? Dead fade...
Bileboming my friends? (<- OMG BOON!)
Look bilebomb makes a sprite frenzy on the screen giving a few things:
1) Can lag poor computors
2) It makes the visible sight on marines computors hard
Ever had a bilebomb in ur face? U will know its hard to see through it... and wen its happening to you and your mates with 3 fades around ur dead...
But lone gorges that bilebomb... there nubs...
I mean sometimes in Co_ u need a web gorge? Right?
Well get this a fade and you vs a hmg marine... omg how can u help fade?
Healspray and get in his way? Dead fade...
Bileboming my friends? (<- OMG BOON!)
Look bilebomb makes a sprite frenzy on the screen giving a few things:
1) Can lag poor computors
2) It makes the visible sight on marines computors hard
Ever had a bilebomb in ur face? U will know its hard to see through it... and wen its happening to you and your mates with 3 fades around ur dead...
But lone gorges that bilebomb... there nubs...
Sometimes its a player who used lastinv but forgot his lastinv was bb and not spit.
Rarely is it an honest to goodness fool who thinks BB will harm them.
To echo the others, no, bb does not harm marines, only structures (and friendly structures if playing FF).
Rarely is it an honest to goodness fool who thinks BB will harm them.
To echo the others, no, bb does not harm marines, only structures (and friendly structures if playing FF).
Hmm I need to try that next time as a 2-hive gorge. Bile bombing marines in the face to cause 2 effects:
-To blind them
-To make them laugh until they can't see
And skulks and fades are converging on their location.
-To blind them
-To make them laugh until they can't see
And skulks and fades are converging on their location.
Use Bilebomb to confuse marines!
Marine visibility: -10%
Marine concentration (Marine thinking "Does bilebomb damage me?"): -5%
TOTAL: -15% damage dealt!!!
If you dont trust me, run a test with a friend! Here are some easy steps to follow:
1) Play on CO map
2) The alien kills the marine several times to gain 2 levels
3) Find the average time it takes to die as gorge when using spit
--A) As gorge use only spit while jumping around like crazy around the marine
--B) Record time taken to get killed
--C) Repeat 10 times and take the average.
4) Find the average time it takes to die as gorge using bile bomb
--A) As gorge use only bilebomb while jumping around like crazy around the marine
--B) Record time taken to get killed
--C) Repeat 10 times and take the average.
It is important to keep all variables constant to get a good result. Have the same player play as gorge and the same player play as marine every time. Play on the same map. Both have the same upgrades (MArine-none, gorge-bilebomb only). Play in the same area and start the countdown in the same area.
Marine visibility: -10%
Marine concentration (Marine thinking "Does bilebomb damage me?"): -5%
TOTAL: -15% damage dealt!!!
If you dont trust me, run a test with a friend! Here are some easy steps to follow:
1) Play on CO map
2) The alien kills the marine several times to gain 2 levels
3) Find the average time it takes to die as gorge when using spit
--A) As gorge use only spit while jumping around like crazy around the marine
--B) Record time taken to get killed
--C) Repeat 10 times and take the average.
4) Find the average time it takes to die as gorge using bile bomb
--A) As gorge use only bilebomb while jumping around like crazy around the marine
--B) Record time taken to get killed
--C) Repeat 10 times and take the average.
It is important to keep all variables constant to get a good result. Have the same player play as gorge and the same player play as marine every time. Play on the same map. Both have the same upgrades (MArine-none, gorge-bilebomb only). Play in the same area and start the countdown in the same area.
OMG!!!!!
how did my lovely thread about gorges turn into a statiscal crazed averegifing pojul of formluk?
and no, i don't know if those are real words
how did my lovely thread about gorges turn into a statiscal crazed averegifing pojul of formluk?
and no, i don't know if those are real words
afratnikov, the gorge should probably have adrenaline for all of those tests.
Isn't there a plugin that makes bb damage armor? I think....
Maybe?
Or not.
No.
Maybe?
Or not.
No.
| QUOTE (afratnikov @ Apr 12 2005, 01:28 PM) |
| Use Bilebomb to confuse marines! Marine visibility: -10% Marine concentration (Marine thinking "Does bilebomb damage me?"): -5% TOTAL: -15% damage dealt!!! If you dont trust me, run a test with a friend! Here are some easy steps to follow: 1) Play on CO map 2) The alien kills the marine several times to gain 2 levels 3) Find the average time it takes to die as gorge when using spit --A) As gorge use only spit while jumping around like crazy around the marine --B) Record time taken to get killed --C) Repeat 10 times and take the average. 4) Find the average time it takes to die as gorge using bile bomb --A) As gorge use only bilebomb while jumping around like crazy around the marine --B) Record time taken to get killed --C) Repeat 10 times and take the average. It is important to keep all variables constant to get a good result. Have the same player play as gorge and the same player play as marine every time. Play on the same map. Both have the same upgrades (MArine-none, gorge-bilebomb only). Play in the same area and start the countdown in the same area. |
Of course you will DIE faster using spit, you are not hindering the offensive capability of the marine. A fair experiment would be comparing damage dealt by spitgorge and death time by bombgorge.
| QUOTE (Zamma @ Apr 11 2005, 06:21 PM) |
Look bilebomb makes a sprite frenzy on the screen giving a few things: 1) Can lag poor computors 2) It makes the visible sight on marines computors hard Ever had a bilebomb in ur face? U will know its hard to see through it... and wen its happening to you and your mates with 3 fades around ur dead... But lone gorges that bilebomb... there nubs... |
Bingo!
it definitely dosen't affect marines in anyway other than lag them and make them unable to see to a certain extent.
so the main reason why people bilebomb marines would be the same reason that people pull out their knives, face the wall and start waving it.
it would be nice to have a sort of knockback effect for the bilebomb though, to sort of hinder the marines. after all the quote from the old ns manual describing the fade bilebomb said "the thump of its decompression feels like a kick to your guts, right to your bones and innards, and the clumps of stuff that settle over you just look evil, like they were made to kill you".
so the main reason why people bilebomb marines would be the same reason that people pull out their knives, face the wall and start waving it.
it would be nice to have a sort of knockback effect for the bilebomb though, to sort of hinder the marines. after all the quote from the old ns manual describing the fade bilebomb said "the thump of its decompression feels like a kick to your guts, right to your bones and innards, and the clumps of stuff that settle over you just look evil, like they were made to kill you".
I find bilebomb great for baiting marines....
If uve got 2 skulks campedo n the ceiling and marines in the next room... BB THEM...
They will always think ur a nub and run in nonchalantly to kill u...
Then the skulks pounce
And you get the last laugh
~Jason
If uve got 2 skulks campedo n the ceiling and marines in the next room... BB THEM...
They will always think ur a nub and run in nonchalantly to kill u...
Then the skulks pounce
And you get the last laugh
~Jason
| QUOTE (SDJason @ Apr 24 2005, 02:08 AM) |
| And you get the last chuckle ~Jason |
shame on you!
| QUOTE (mydarbin @ Apr 12 2005, 03:55 PM) | ||
Of course you will DIE faster using spit, you are not hindering the offensive capability of the marine. A fair experiment would be comparing damage dealt by spitgorge and death time by bombgorge. |
I disagree. I find that a single marine fighting a gorge, the gorge should win, if it is aware of what it needs to do. Marines move in predictable patterns, and so spit should hit. A gorge can bhop, strafe-jump in the opposite direction....or simply just run around the marine. Most of the time, I engage single marines as a gorge, unless they get meds from the comm.
| QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Apr 30 2005, 12:46 AM) |
| I disagree. I find that a single marine fighting a gorge, the gorge should win, if it is aware of what it needs to do. Marines move in predictable patterns, and so spit should hit. A gorge can bhop, strafe-jump in the opposite direction....or simply just run around the marine. Most of the time, I engage single marines as a gorge, unless they get meds from the comm. |
I know that there are players that regularly win as gorge against marines on pub games - but they are very good players killing noob marines. It's nice that you are one of a few players who can kill a marine as gorge, but most people are not as good as you or as bad as the opponents you kill. I don't think i have to show that a marine should win against a gorge of equal skill, because it is so obvious.
Because it looks like it does. It looks like a weapon which would hurt marines.
| QUOTE (Asal The Unforgiving @ Apr 30 2005, 01:46 AM) |
| I find that a single marine fighting a gorge, the gorge should win, if it is aware of what it needs to do. Marines move in predictable patterns, and so spit should hit. A gorge can bhop, strafe-jump in the opposite direction....or simply just run around the marine. Most of the time, I engage single marines as a gorge, unless they get meds from the comm. |
One simple thing. Spit moves slowly, and marines can dodge it. Bullets are instantenous, and are impossible to dodge.
It's quite possible to lose 0 health while fighting a gorge if dodging properly.
If they make bilebomb damage armor they better 1) nerf it against buildings (too good a basebreaker if it hurts marines too) and 2) nerf spore - bb killing armor, spore would take out health.
As for the
vs 
matches, the marine should win every time. It's a big part of the game, attacking/protecting gorges! It's one of the aliens' weaknesses - that they have to go gorge to build!
Besides its fun when you empty an lmg clip into a gorge and finish him off with your knife
As for the
vs matches, the marine should win every time. It's a big part of the game, attacking/protecting gorges! It's one of the aliens' weaknesses - that they have to go gorge to build!Besides its fun when you empty an lmg clip into a gorge and finish him off with your knife
| QUOTE (2 of Eight @ May 8 2005, 02:34 PM) | ||
One simple thing. Spit moves slowly, and marines can dodge it. Bullets are instantenous, and are impossible to dodge. It's quite possible to lose 0 health while fighting a gorge if dodging properly. |
When's the last time you got me like that, 2_of_8? For that matter, when's the last time you caught me when I didn't want to be caught?
if anyone has played co_blackmesa they'll know that people (like me) do a gorge in vent tatic
sit in vent and BB cc where the marines cant touch you, cheap i know, but i've won several matches like that
sit in vent and BB cc where the marines cant touch you, cheap i know, but i've won several matches like that
And that is just one of the reasons why co_blackmesa sucks. Beyond it looking exactly like the original half-life (aka it looks like a box), it has a vent within bb range of the bloody cc.
| QUOTE (Raven of Azerath @ May 9 2005, 03:53 PM) |
| if anyone has played co_blackmesa they'll know that people (like me) do a gorge in vent tatic sit in vent and BB cc where the marines cant touch you, cheap i know, but i've won several matches like that |
If you ever go on a pfff server doing that, prepare to get banned.
Its cheap and pisses people off.
The whole blackmesa map is one big fubar.
i agree
| QUOTE (DroneFragger! @ May 16 2005, 07:56 AM) | ||
If you ever go on a pfff server doing that, prepare to get banned. Its cheap and pisses people off. |
Or the rines could use, you know, teamwork
It only takes 2 rines to stack into that vent, or one rine with a mine.
Presto, gorge problem solved. The gorge in the vent is only a threat if your team sucks. And if your team sucks, your going to lose anyway.
Also, consider that the gorge could be bile-bombing away mines or some other such.
Had a combat game like that the other night. Marines kept getting stuck in the webs near the hive, so they'd drop their mine just before they came in the vent to try to make it harder for the skulks to get to them while they were webbed.
A quick switch from web to bile-bomb every time you heard a mine go down ended that problem. If you were quick, you'd take out the mine before it armed even.
Had a combat game like that the other night. Marines kept getting stuck in the webs near the hive, so they'd drop their mine just before they came in the vent to try to make it harder for the skulks to get to them while they were webbed.
A quick switch from web to bile-bomb every time you heard a mine go down ended that problem. If you were quick, you'd take out the mine before it armed even.
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