In regards to setting monitoring from serverside: As far as I know there is no way of monitoring these commands as they are not sent to the server. Only a select few are actually sent (approx. 10 from what I can recall) So to enforce settings/rates the only way to do it would be to force one certain number.

I had attempted to do this with cl_cmdrate a while ago but those with poor connections had lagg issues.

You dont even have to restart half-life, all you need to do is reconnect to use the command retry. The changed settings will also apply after a level change. And yes this can be abused, but let them do it.
If people feel like using green alien models, haxed gamme and no sprites/textures let them do so. It only takes away the atmosphere.

There are no exploitative commands in natural-selection.

But it's all about perspective isn't it?

Very, very sad.

You can compare this to cl_cmdrate if you like, both have valid purposes when being adjusted,however both can be put to values which are "exploitative" where does one draw the line?

sounds good to me.

I so want to abuse this.

I agree, but lets please not do so on NS general compeditive discussion forum, as until things are fixed this just means a whole bunch of annoying as hell hacker wannabe kiddies playing with thier configs to screw over the game for everyone else, simply because we are posting exploits in a publicly accessable place.

seriously, why hasn't this topic been moved to a private section in the bug reports forum yet? that is common protical for exploitive things like this.

Screenshots are pretty much useless unless you require people to have net_graph activated since you COULD record a demo that you view after the game with normal cvars / models.

Maybe because most people play the game for atmosphere or fun and not cause they are addictet to seeing white walls.

A small question:

Player "I pwn you all u dumb n00bs" uses an extremely tweaked config, with every exploit imagineable used to its full extent, but still he does not score as high, as the average "skilled" player.

Would you notice, that he is using exploits?
Would you care?
Does it reduce the fun, you are having while playing?

Does it still make it right?

After certian events that were uncovered in one of the comunities I regular in (you know what I am talking about if you were there, I'm not going into it further) I am quite aware that varionions of this exact thing are more common then most people would imagine. The thing is, most players simply don't want to play against hackers/exploiters.

If I am getting owned, I don't want the person I am getting owned by to be hacking/exploiting. It is not fun to lose, and if someone is not using unaided skill in order to beat you, then they are fooling themself about thier ability to win, and I am playing unfun games against someone who is worse then me just because they figured it would be fun to exploit the game in unethical ways that I am not.

If I am owning, I don't want to be playing against hackers/exploiters. People who hack and exploit don't tell you they are doing it before you start a match with them. If I can get a 40:15 killscore against a hacker, that would be pretty good, but against a normal nub it would be much less satisfying since I know from experiance I am capable of getting 40:5. If I know the player I am playing against is hacking before they start the round I am more aware of what to expect when I am playing against them, and I am more prepared to counter it. If I don't then they have taken the heads up on me simply because I am ignorant of what they are capable of, yet me, not being a hacker, they are more then able to predict the actions of.

This being a majorly exploitable bug should not be publicily available information, If I am going to cloak in game I want to know/belive that the function is working properly against the people I am playing against. If not, I want to know that too, so I just don't do it. If another player is hacking or using an exploit such as this, they take away my ability to know, and thus they should not be allowed to continue doing it, and the information about how it is done should not be publicly scattered/availible.

As of right now, gl_max_size is a public command that anyone can use in game. Just because it has the potential to be an exploit shouldnt disregard it from discussion on removing said exploit. The competitive forum is a great place to discuss and discover exploits such as this, because most competitive players are more interested in tailoring the game to their advantage vs a more atmospheric experience (meaning more competitive players have tried altering their config, thus know more about what changes what), but Im just generalizing here...

Id appreciate any help in getting more info regarding client side exploitive commands such as gl_max_size. If we create a big enouph stink about it, Im sure things will get changed.

It doesn't matter if it is minimum of 128 since you can get the same effect with using non multiples of 64 I believe.

wrong, i tried it, nothing happened on map changes or reconnects. you need to restart ns to make it work. this is why cal needs screenshots, this is why CD is required for cal. this isnt an issue in cal because they have worked around it. if you want to be secure when you play in pubs, play on CD required servers

I do not believe these to be exploitive commands. Unless you can give a convincing arguement, Im going to assume you were being cynical in helping me out.

The rest of the commands listed, however, I either agree or am not familiar with what the command does. Id like some feedback on these commands if anyone is interested.

Here are the ones I know:

stopsound: Stops all .wav sounds like footsteps, gunfire and such. Does not affect .mp3 background music.

gamma: In-game gamma
brightness: in game brightness
texgamma: the brightness applied only to textures. This is like lightgamma; the higher the value the darker the texture. This is not exploitive, as it is already set to 0 by default - the brightest setting. (Actually, I want to thank MK for finding this - IMO it should be set to 1-2 by default for a 'darker' feel without the map actually being darker.)
lightgamma: controls how bright light sources are. (I believe this only applies to map-based light sources, not things like flashlights.)

gl_monolights: Removes shadows. It's already blocked, but yes this could be exploitive.

ex_interp, cl_updaterate, cl_cmdrate: These are settings for your web connection. They are perfectly valid to change, and can make gameplay much smoother when set appropriately.

tracerred 1
tracergreen 0
tracerblue 0
traceralpha 1
tracerspeed 6000
tracerlength 1
traceroffset "100"
These commands all affect the tracers ballistic weapons have. They are no more explotive than a good set of headphones.

r_drawviewmodel: This turns v_weapon models off, such as the skulk's mouth. Already blocked.

You rarely change servers during a CAL match...
which this thread is all about, isn't it.

Couldnt you disconnect, start going to another server, then go back to your cal match server?




-me

Your setinfo config made me chuckle, meeting someone who executed i´t on a server would be really nifty

I still wonder if it wouldn't be possible to make a demo and then take screenshots from the demo..?

However, if netgraph(I don't know if it is) was enforced on the screenshots this would not work.

I would draw it before here, buddy.