Basicly I propose that the conditions restricted by blockscript receive the following changes.

A: Mulitple binds to a single key are no longer disabled.
B: Alias commands are no longer restricted
C: The ONLY command +attack or any type of +move can be assigned to is a single bind with no other accompanying functions (I personally don't see +jump as being nessicary to add to this list, as the mousewheel jumps better for Bhopping then any script does anyways, but if the community feels it is nessicary it could be added too).

Also I would recommend a second BS variable of BS_2 which applys the above blocks, but also blocks any mousewheel binds with the exception of weapon changes.

_special should remain blocked for all BS modes, including BS_0

Hi,

Although not an absolute expert on that matter, I tend to agree with what you suggest. I personally don't see what would be negative by implementing those changes. On the contrary I rather see it positively.

Of course one can allways prove me wrong. Be kind.

Greetz,
XtOf

Agreed. This would pretty much stop wigglewalk script and pistol scripts, which are the two main "skill" scripts that people who like bs_1 always talk about. Meanwhile this will leave allt he utility scripts alone. This is what bs_1 SHOULD have been all along.

umm mp_bs 2 sounds absolutely retarded.




it basically blocks bunnyhoppping which is retarded because its part of the game.



unless im horribly miss understanding you lose respect points.

Think about it this way. the game is balanced around aliens being able to bhop. So, making it harder for aliens to bhop would just weaken aliens. Now while aliens are very powerful in this version, removing bhop/making ot harder to do isn't the way to fix any problems.

Fine, whatever. After I followed the suggestion threads regarding implimenting some sort of inate 3jump I was left with the impression that it was never going to happen. As long as Bhopping requires either a script or the mousewheel to do there will be large segments of the comunity who look disfavorably apon it.

I figure if you are going to disclude people who don't want to be assed to learn to jump with the mousewheel or assign some scripts to thier config, you might as well give them the option of preventing people like us from coming on thier servers and tearing them a new ****. I'm sorry my over developed sense of politeness has offended you so much.

As far as I am concerned this is an either or issue. It is unprofessional for the NS team to leave thier game in a state where a player must either use a SPECIFIC config or learn how to script in halflife in order the proper level required to "balance the game around". The NS team either needs to make the basis of bunnyhopping available to any new player joining the game, or they need to include options that allow players who don't like bunnyhopping to disclude people who do it from thier games. NS may be balanced for bunnyhopping at the high skill level, but I assure you, bunnyhopping is NOT one of the standard balance factors in your average pub.

[edit] for the record I use the mousewheel to Bhop, and I would not play BS_2 servers were it to be implimented. But that doesn't change the fact that there is a demand for that sort of thing.

Hmm. So you're proposing that a +3jump script be added to NS, so that bunnyhopping becomes an easier skill and that way NS stays balanced?

Jeez. Isn't that like scratching your left ear with your right arm twisted around your leg?

Those who argue to keep bunnyhopping in the game say that it's a skill that must be mastered, that removing it would unbalance the game, etc. So if you're going to make bunnyhopping an easier skill, might as well make it available for EVERYONE. By removing bunnyhopping, and increaseing the base speed for everyone. Hmm?

Or maybe introduce combos to the game, making you go faster if you press left-left-right-up-up-left-down.

*sigh*

And yet again. No, you do not need mwheel or 3jump to bhop. It just takes a LOT more practice and skill... which is one of the things that most bhop-proponents push. Which strikes me as pretty hilarious.

Personally, I can hit 8-12 consecutive jumps while being fired on... all spacebar, default jump. Can't handle up-slopes.

And personally, I'd love to see mp_bs2 with +jump binding blocked. At that point, bhoppers would have to actually learn to perform the 'skill' without the crutches.

why do people feel like they need to prevent bunnyhopping in the first place?



or hinder it?




if mp_bs2 was on its probably because somebody cant bunnyhop or thinks its unfair.



i dont understand.

Why the need to hinder/prevent bunnyhopping?
Because the game isn't balanced around it. Twist it around as much as you want to, but on most pubs, even some high-skilled servers, b-hoppers aren't that common. You can't say the game is balanced around it.

Racing games are about speed. Running games are about speed. First-person shooters shouldn't be about speed...

Again... c4t, it'd allow only those who knew how to actually bunnyhop (zero scripts) were able to use it. After all... if bhop is a skill, why let people make it easier to perform? Or can't you bhop without any scripts?

Also, Swift... I can downhill bhop just fine. I just need to get a map with a long uphill slope to practice the uphill timing on. At which point it'll work, uphill and down. Again. PRACTICE is what I lack. It's not that it's impossible, I just haven't put aside the time to work in the rhythm.

Which is why Talesin can stay on bs_2 servers as he likes and Swiftspear and I will stay on bs_1 or 0 servers.

I fully agree with you, as this i didn't read the reactions.

My only problem with bs: if there is a one second lag or something (or even 0.5 seconds and lower), and i am in midst of a fight, my commands spam the server and mp_bs thinks i am a scripter.

what happens?

"scripting is not allowed on this server" and im bagged.

This is ridiculous. There are any number of keyboards / FPS controllers that allow DEVICE LEVEL scripting.

Either it's in the game and should be accessible, or you should make it impossible NOT BY BLOCKING SCRIPTING, BUT by removing the underlying problem.

If bunnyhopping IS in, let people script 3 jump, mousewheel jump/whatever.

If it's OUT, cap the max speed/fix air accelleration/whatever and be done with it.

Whoever said the dev team needs to stop being wishy-washy on the subject was right.

ok my last statement is




please god do not impliment something in the official game that prevents binding +jump to mwheeldown.



the end.

IMO, i don't think we need mp_bs anymore. _special is gone, and who uses wiggle scripts anyway

I personally always thought it was rather stupid to balance a game around a skill that basically requires a certain config or bind setup, unless those set-ups are included in the game by default.

Part of the reason for this involves internet cafes. You generally can't make changes to the config. You might be able to make changes to the binds, but when you're paying for access, who's going to run around looking on forums to find out what bind changes need to be made?

Considering how prevalent internet cafes are in certain east asian areas, if the devs really want to open NS up to the widest audience possible, they'll note this difficulty and do something about it.

Personally, I don't care whether it's bs_2, a default bhop binding, or bhop being entirely removed, but I do agree with swiftspear that some definitive choice should be made. Equalize the games for those who can't screw with the config files and open up the potential audience more. And yes, this also applies to the fade.

Basically, if a game more or less requires messing with the config files, you're dropping a large chunk of your potential audience.

If UWE hopes to become a profitable company, hopefully they'll take this into consideration for NS2. I hold little hope that we'll see significant changes in NS1 on this front.

Exactly. Good players shouldn't need to mess with their configuration; you should be able to be good with the default config.

i dunno if mouse2 is still bound to +menu but i took that thing out so long ago,


it was terrible because i would always hit it while i was lerking or skulklaring.



i dont see the point in not being able to bind mwheeldown to jump.





if you guys are so fussy about this "mp_bs2" being implimented why not just include

bind mwheeldown +jump in the default config? then nobody would have anything to **** about.

i hope behoping is not existant in half-life 2.
so much for that (even while i can pull it off in hl1).

Include configs for each class in NS installer.
Each alien class exept the lerk has by defult buond space +3hop.

Off topic again, bhop should NOT be stopped, however it should be more readily available to people who don't know how to edit their config. A simple fix is a +3jump script already bound, and a +jump is automatically bound to a marine when/if you get a JP, until death. Might not be easily coded, but would fix a lot of the problems.

Making the skulk just faster and removing Bhop is not a good fix- Bhopping still limits your movement in different ways, and is not always useable. A skulk on crack would just be too strong. Furthermore, other alien classes love to bhop as well, but just speeding them up and removing bhop for them would, once again, result in overpowered classes.

I'm all for implimenting a +3jump script by default.



On topic, BS is a silly variable indeed. A simple macro could easily get around it, and it would (as it already does) seperate the player "skill" of people on good computers vs bad ones. Bhopping on 100 FPS constant is QUITE possible, even up/down slopes, without the aid of a script/mwheel/macro. It's far from do-able getting a random mix of 10-35. Scripts such as +3jump allow people with lower end equipment to perform things that their computer limits them from doing. BS_1 is supposed to "level" the playing field, but all it really does is create a total disadvantage for people on lower-end computers. If you wanted true "equality" then NS should come with a free computer, that detects if it's been upgraded, and only playable on that computer for everyone. Hardly practical, but very equal.

Whats wrong with the bhop? If you can't kill a SINGLE skulk bhoping at you consider yourself a bad player.. bhop make a lots of noise you should be able to at least prefire and get hit once unless you are building knifing an rt. Blocking the mswheel +jump bind is far from a solution if no one can script anymore "even if mswheel is not"ppl will try an other way to script and no one will be able to block this said "way".

Better: Remove Blockscript.

Remove this thread as it decents more and more offtopic and into hell (flames and stuff) about bhop and scripting in general.

nah, just results in more people getting pistol scripts