Where are these evil and explotive scripts?
The only one i could think of is the old "crash" script or the super leap script.
Where is the explorit script for 3.0?

bind "MOUSE1" "kill"
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This is pretty evil, especially when an admin uses it on you.

only boarder line exploitable script is wiggle walk. what did the super leap script look like im curious

The "super leap script" was supposed to let you leap without using energy. When I tried it (and several other people), I found out that it let you leap without using energy about once every 20 leaps. In the 19 other cases, you just sat there like an idiot, having lost your energy without moving.

If i recall, it was a _special with slot3 attack slo1 slot3 slot1 fast or something, made you leap rapidly without using energy. I had a movie of it somewhere

I mean, they do they want scripts blocked now?
I simple dont get it, and it freaks me out.
The most usefull script i've seen is even a non-combat script, like a clever config changer or admin related stuff.
I dont get where all the hate is from
And even if scripts give you an unfair advantage, how is this different from having a good computer vs. a bad one?
or having a logitech mx900 with 8 bottums vs. standard microsoft ball mouse?
Or using the mwheel to spam jump commands vs. 3/5 jump script?
I really freaks me out, and it makes me sick.

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Basically, there is no reason to block scripts. I guess some people can feel safer with scripts blocked. Scripts somehow have a very bad reputation in this so called community. The fact that they had to implement a serverside variable to block them is a bit cantradictory (they fix exploits for mp_bs 0 and mp_bs 1, and then state that mp_bs blocks abusive scripts). To my knowledge, this is the only hl mod that has this feature.

There is no such script that bhops for you etc. It's for people who want to bhop without having to use the mousewheel to jump. And having constant 100fps ingame is an absolutely huge advantage. Movement is so much smoother, it is easier to aim, etc.

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I got nothing against scripts, never really have. Only problem is I can't use em effectively. My skill can pretty much only go so far, having a tiny chair and a tall desk, along with being left-handed and using the arrow keys. I think if everyone had the exact same setup as me, I'd be a god.

Also having a headset(or sorrund set) will get you far more then any script imo.
So having money will get you far far then having a script, why is scripts then blocked?
Still haven't seen any abusive scripts for 3.0f.

You could argue about wigglewalk, but from what i have tried it locks you up when running and that in it self is bad.

To clarify for you people, a 3 jump script doesn't actually jump you three jumps in under a second. What it does is send the jump command three times in under a second, making it much more likely that, in the instant you before you touch the ground, a jump will be performed. This is EXACTLY the same thing binding your mouse wheel to jump does. It spams the jump command multiple times in under a second so that you are much more likely to jump at the right instant.

Then my final question is,

Why do we have block scripts when there are no abusive scripts and therefor no reason to have it?

the only script i ever see take a lot of blame is the ever famous pistol script.

The weird thing is scripts do not aim for you, nor do they increase how well you play. All they do is increase your effiecieny(sp?). If I get my pistol crosshairs on a skulk my script just makes the semi-auto pistol into a full automatic gun.

Valve allows users to edit their scripts, no harm. The NS Team even allows servers to activate mp_blockscripts. Simply put, if you do not like scripts or you believe that they are 'explotive' or 'evil' then you are welcome to play on those servers that block scripts.

Many people complain that scripts give players the advantage. It is there own fault that they do not understand the system.

If scripts are bad because they make me more effiecent then overclocking my CPU must be a sin since I can play the game much smoother. Obv.

Exactly. Well put.

Then, a new question..
How do we get the devs to "rethink" it?

actually theres a script that comes pretty close to bhopping for you, its bound to mwheelup and mwheeldown and when you scroll mhweel up it jumps and looks left for you, and vice versa. its not very good but it still comes very very close to bhopping for you.

Wow, I need to make a script to post all my "exactly" replies in this thread

On a different note, I think someone wrote a wigglewalk script that didn't use _special and it didn't lock you up.

I was wondering, what is the point of _special? It's not even usable anymore, if I understand correctly(That's a long shot).

It's really easy to reach the pistol fire cap (I personally have bound mouse1 and mouse2 to +attack, lets me fire at max speed if my fps is good). If people find that the pistol's rate of fire is too high, and "the pistol is not intended to be a full auto gun", then they should complain to the devs to make it slower, instead of randomly labelling people as scripters as soon as they can shoot fast, scripted or not.

For bhop, surely the mousewheel is the better solution, but I don't see why players should forced to use the mousewheel to jump, if they prefer using it for another purpose, and jumping with another key.

this thread makes me mad.

1)

*all* repeat *all* scripts which were considered exploitative by the NS dev team (_special, wigglewalks etc) have been blocked. That is to say they DO NOT WORK AT ALL WITH THE CURRENT VERSION OF NS.

2)

Scripts do NOT directly make you play better. They do not:

Aim for you.
Bhop for you.
Let you see through walls.
Kill skulks with 1 bullet.

They are a CUSTOMIZATION which some people use because of PERSONAL PREFERENCE.
There is NO advantage in using a 3jump over mousewheel for bhopping, not a pistol script over a normal mouse button / mousewheel.

The ONLY reason some people play better with scripts was summed up a while ago by Forlorn, I can't find the exact quote but it is because these people have streamlined their controls more, which is a completely different concept.

3)

Pistol scripts (arguably the only 'exploitatious' script) are nowhere near as good as people think.

Let's go with your standard 2shot script, fires 1 shot when you click, 1 shot when you release.
If you click too fast, it only fires 1 shot. That means that you're actually firing as if you do NOT use a script. You actually have to regulate the speed that you click your mouse in order to get the best rate of fire.
Also, it does NOT break the RoF cap on the pistol. Yet another reason why it is not exploitatious.

Now, I will list the number of alternatives you have to using a pistol script which can give the EXACT SAME RESULT (faster pistol shooting) :

Clicking your mouse faster (i know loads of people who do this and shoot faster than I do with a 3shot script)
Using an external key macro
Using your mousewheel
Using more than 1 mouse button bound to fire and bashing all of them at once.




To conclude :
All exploitatious scripts have been removed from the game

Any player who plays better with scripts than without, does so because he has CUSTOMIZED and STREAMLINED his controls - and therefore is more comfortable with them.

To reiterate: THERE ARE NO EXPLOITATIOUS SCRIPTS IN THE GAME.,

Go Figure.

SpaceJesus is right.. though the general concensus of most players playing NS at this very moment is that scripts are these little add-on "things" that let you do "new" things to kill other players better.

I only have to thank the NS dev team for helping to perpetuate this belief that scripts are the reason why players get lucky or just happen to be good at what they're doing.

And doesn't CAL allow it?

As Zunni expressed before, and I assume some other NS developers have the same sentiment; scripts are used by the competitive players of NS. Hence this sub-section located under NS Organized Play and not Customization... it's all a crock anyway..

I agree completely with space-jesus.

It annoys me why blockscripts is still here.

And for the wigglewalk script, well. i find it rather useless. I feel better with just glide jumping/wallstrafing/bhop to gain speed with marines. Also using wiggle walk makes you walk in straight lines, which is bad imo.

I can understand the reasoning behind it still being here, but it really isn't needed. There are arguably no exploitative scripts in the game, and there are no out-and-out exploitative scripts in the game. Not one.
Fair enough the wigglewalk script is still in, but that locks you up completely and I seriously doubt it'd be used by any top level players.

I'm sure it has a very limited impact but it's nothing that you can't do by mashing your strafe keys, which brings us right back to where we began, how do you define an exploitative script.

1)
Any script that makes it 'easier' to play
eg. pistol / 3jump scripts / wigglewalk

2)
Any script that abuses a known exploit in the game code
eg. _special, crash bugs, silent leap script etc


Personally I'm in the camp of #2


It's not an ongoing argument whether scripts are good or bad, its an ongoing argument over how to define an exploitatious script.

I dont even see how anyone can see pistol, 3hop and wiggle walk scripts as explorit scripts.
You can do all of them with the mwheel.

-Pistol script
just press the +attack bottum or bind +attack to mwheel. Bind multiple keys.

-3hop
bind multiple keys to jump or use the mwheel

-wiggle
tap strafe keys manuelly, or bind them to mwheel and roll back and forth.


anti-script people

I think I speak on behalf of the majority of people who frequent this forum when I say :

Sorry. Really, I apologise for defending my views, I won't do it again, ever. It's obviously such a bad thing to do.


The reality is that scripting would most likely be totally removed if people just stopped arguing for it. So how that makes us "scripting zealots", defending something we believe is unnecessary to remove, beats me.

looking for martyrdom? if they have the blockscript option, why would they ever remove them entirely? its up to the individual admin right now, as it should be. i doubt any amount of people whining about scripts would result in them removing them completely, but i could be wrong. although...if that were the case, we'd probably have babblers, lerkspikes and HAs with jetpacks. however, i was simply pointing out that people who don't like scripts -and decide to say so- are merely "defending [their] views," and arguing against "something [they] believe is unnecessary." in other words, most of them are no different than you, yet they are labeled and sterotyped because they offer a differeing opinion, i.e.

The script subject always ends up in an outrage of flamming from each sides...