After mentioning it in another post, I can't help but wonder about this openly.

Why is it that we 'punish' the lerk for doing what they do naturally? (fly)

I've always felt that the lerk should be able to stay in air indefinitely should they desire, as this would make it a far more interesting class to play. While gliding helps, it has its limits when in battle. In a battle situation, glide is far too slow to keep the lerk alive. (unless you are dive-bombing a single marine) Chasing a JP, for example, requires many course changes and will drain adrenaline quite quickly.

I'd love to see lerk flight be 'free' for adrenaline, and if this is an issue for the lerk having too much adrenaline for attacks, then we can adjust it. In most cases I don't think it would impact that though, since lerks often hang back and spore/umbra from a distance anyway.

The new lerk flight mode is the best thing to happen to the lerk, and it seems a shame to waste it by putting limits on flight. Flight won't damage marines, so balance shouldn't be an issue.

It would really be nice to see this happen since I'm sure people would be able to do some nifty things with this.

Regards,

Savant

Agreed 100%. With the B6 caps on a lerk's max vertical speed, uber-pancaking is no longer a problem, and that was the reason it was removed. (I actually suggested something like this in the Constie forum.)

good idea

We already tried removing the Adrenaline "penalty" for Lerk flight, remember?

I honestly don't see the need for fixing something that isn't broken; anyone who practices with the current flight model can be that Lerk doing loops around (and under) Hera's Landing Pad. Also, making each flap free can be counter-intuitive for new players: giving them the impression that they're able to spam the jump button without any forseeable shortcomings not only teaches them nothing about gliding or other advanced flight techniques, rapidly tapping jump is indeed no way to treat Lerk flight and is a sure-fire way to get you killed.

Personally, I don't think that flying should be adrenaline free for lerks.

Think about it, flapping your arms takes energy to do, energy that you might not have if you tried to run a great distance whilst doing so. Birds need energy to flap their wings, so should lerks. Removing the energy penalty for flying encourages the jump spam, and also multiple spore bombing. Even being an alien lifeform, lerks still need to expend energy when flying, but not when gliding, as they're just holding their arms out straight.

and so the lerk becomes more and more like skulks with wings...

you remove lerk flight energy cost, and you get guys with jump scripts bound to mousewheel. yeah. unkillable.

no. we tried this. it proved unbalancing.

If it was free, I don't see the purpose of gliding.

i dont see the need for lerks to have flight use up adrenaline - thats like making a skulks use adrenaline when walking

maybe a solution would be that - lerks are even slower at when on the ground - very slow - to even it out

so they are great at flying and well not so great at walking.

lerks dont need a boost

if flight costs energy then why can all the other ground aliens run without consuming energy?

Mwheel celerity lerks would be unkillable in some situations, if this was put in. Remember that the lerk can instantly change its direction in midair, by jumping and move the mouse away from the path of flight. You could have lerks moving at max celerity speed that change direction by 90-180 degrees every half second. They could spend half a second umbraing/sporing and then resume their insane dodging.

You currently can't do this, because you either have to go adrenaline and move slower, or go celerity and waste energy.

Lerks are already strong enough and hard enough to hit (especially for pubbers).

I split on this. I would love to see the lerk not have an adren cost for flight, but it's probably true that people would be able to abuse it in some way. I suggest putting it through some pt'ing, with the goal being to find an exploit, so it can be fixed.

i think the cost should just be lowered, enough so that you can bite or spore one more time after a little bit of flight

Soul, you'll still have to time your bites to kill a competent JPer. In fact, 'spamming' your bites like you claim decreases your chance of a sucessful bite because your vision is blocked so much.

I thought a lerk could fly without the adrenaline upgrade...

however, it was tried, yes, and dumped.
because it was a mistake to not limit certain movements (like the well known and hated pancaking). also, you could put a limit to mousewheel movements (which is someway with my mouse).

how many marines look at their map? half of em in the pubs are noobs....

MOving this to future forums, because I'm also undecided about this.

Hmmm, i do believe that using up that much adrenaline just trying to fly is a little odd. But considering how much energy is required for flight, its argueable.

Think of it like this, flying is kinda like blink in that its the most effective way to move around as that alien. I mean, very VERY few fades dont blink all the time they can, just as very few lerks dont fly when they can (and arent camping ). So I do support flying using energy, but I would say decrease the amount. Maybe by a third or a half, so it will sometimes make a difference, but is much more accessable, and it makes it seem more like the lerk is evolved for flying, and not that it just sprouted wings.

I vote....yes, kinda.....just make them more efficient.

I think that the lerkflight should use stamina, yes, but a little bit fewer then now, AND(!) when all stamina is used up, you still can fly (aka no stamina cost), but you can't attack until your stamina has loaded back up.

You know that you can hold down the jump button and glide which uses no energy at all and you still go very fast.

If you are going to change anything about lerk energy consumption I'd make bites use about 1/3rd less energy then they do now. That would help out a lot as now you can't spore twice within 5 seconds and still hope to land a bite on a marine without being out of energy. Unless you have adren of course.

I invite any of you to come and get owned by me as a lerk on any pub some time.

I don't script at all and I use shift as my jump key (with WASD movement) I still pancake like hell (3.0f version pancaking) and at the end of a match my little finger is pretty much fried from hammering jump, yet I still fail to use more adrenilene flapping then I need to VERY comfortably get around the map. Make flap cost any less and you basicly just invite 5hoppers to spam jump constantly at a rate about a million times faster then I can right now.

The current lerk is at a sweet spot between where it can effectively be used to its max potential without scripts and where scripts get more usefull to the point that it is impossible to imitate manually. I'm not against scripts, but unless you intend to block them I don't see any reason to hardcode more ways for them to be nessicary in order to tip the balance in your favor in the game.

No one whines about scripts in CS because CS has been written in such a way that scripters get no unfair gameplay advantages in the game. This is getting pretty close to true in NS, let's not backtrack.

Just make the blue resource monitor from olden days return in the lerk. And make flying seperate from adrenaline. It won't use up the attack energy, but it will still run out after a while.

when flying, real birds use energy.
nuff said

but not nearly as much as the lerk currently does. Most birds can flap 30 times in moderate sucession without having to stop and recover or eat something.

I know a lerk is kindof an overweight bird/lizard/general marine eating thing, but if they were evolved for it, i would think flight wouldn't be as much of a challenge (energy wise) as it currently is.

na this would promote silent flyers, instead of adre ones, you can fly for ever on adren, but silence you prolly should be stoping every now and a gain to recover energy

also if your silent, your trying to avoid detection stoping every now and again, will get rines lost and confussed with motion