Well, look at combat, players that are in higher levels that get killed give more exp than a lower exp player that got killed would... makes sense to me.

why? its a form of res flow. if a marine/alien can kill they should be rewarded. i dont think ur thinking hard enough about the consequences. think about it, it would encourage rambos because ur death costs nothing. u can walk into the hive 7 times trying take down a node and the aliens could not do much.

anyways. i like robb's idea but i think rfk should be capped at 4-5 res.

RFK does encourage rambos. You get rewarded for killing something, why do you have to stay with the team? When you dont get rewarded, and there is no consiquence for dying, I dont think that encourages rambos more. Go ahead and walk into a hive 7 times. See how useless and futile your efforts are, how boring it is.

RFK also unbalances the game in the early state. If the aliens get a lucky start on the marines, then one gets to go fade, gets even more res for kill, its just a snowball rolling down a hill. It makes end games last longer for marines if they are losing. All they do is hole up in the marine start, wait for the RFK to trickle in, then HA train back to the hive? Thats fair? I dont think so, when aliens are on the brink of distruction, Marines have 3/3 upgrades because of the RFK, same with heavies and HMGs, how do the aliens make a comeback? They cant.

RFK unbalances the game. Its unnessarry, and only shortens what could be a great, fantastic and long game, cutting the fun on both teams.

rambo's dont get rewarded, the team does, as for aliens, why wouldnt get res? if they can kill on their own they deserve it. if you didnt know already, skulks in groups get owned quite horribly. my point is, for example a 6v6 scrim. 4 marines can rush a room and shoot down a res node within seconds, skulks come and kill those 4 marines, but now they dont have enough res to put down another tower, and with 1 rt chances are they wont get any. a whole new strategy of ip rushing rts would unbalance the game completely.

if marines get owned by one skulk, great, they deserve to lose and allowing that skulk to go fade will make the process faster. you say marines stay in base, but who says you have to rush them? just get 3 hives and use ranged weapons against them. heavies are meant to finish games. if heavies were meant to die the game would never and and in the long run aliens would eventually get the lucky break and win.

removing rfk will NOT make the game last longer. it will just end much sooner.

So you are saying removing rfk will make games faster?

I'm sorry but you are wrong.

RFK is used to give the winning team a faster win to make games shorter as said by the devs at one point...

How does the system I propose encourage ramboing? If someone does rambo and gets kills left and right, he would still only get 1 res per kill if the other team is not skilled. If however, the rambo does get multiple kills, killing him would score a big bonus to the opposing team which gives the other team a chance.

In fact, this system would make ramboing more risky since if you are getting a good streak, every time you get another kill, you have to be more careful about dying... I guess suicides won't reset your res value since it could be exploited.

If this system weakens aliens... well we could offer it to only work on marines, like I suggested previously.

To me, it makes sense that killing a more skilled player should reap more rewards than owning a nub countless times.

So before you make accusations that don't make sense, be sure to think this out since it is a very complex system.

and i thought quotes would make it easier as to who i was talking to. anyways, im just saying marines could easily own aliens. all they had to do is basically upgrade catpacks and rush their nodes to shoot them down. hand out 2 shotguns, 1 for each side of the mapp and catpack the nodes down. before you know it aliens would be down to 1-3 res nodes and on the verge of losing. i DO like your idea, im just sayin the what I think the effects of removing rfk would be

Awesome. I'm going to add your quote onto my official list of top suggestions post.

Yay! ALSO... as an addendum... Acid Rocket kills should also not grant RFK. Nor should Para kills. Nor should ANY ranged weapon.

Oh yea... also good point.

And besides, if you have a system where better players = bonus resources then you'll further ruin the capability of powershifts and guarantee to have a boring game of this stacked team of 1337's versus these newbies. If it's unbabalce that's fine, let the scales tip as they should. Just let's please not try to make it to where you are violently slamming the scale to one side or another. That kind of fast, assured victory gametype already exists. It is called Combat.

verdict:

*vote no*

Sorry I was away from the thread. *ahem*

Yes, marines get rewarded. Indirectally. If the commander is getting more income, who gets more equipment? The marines. The fact that the marine is getting RFK gives him equipment or upgrades (overall benifits) at a sooner time. Having no RFK encourages the marine to hang back and stick with his team. So he doesnt give RFK for dying, why go and rambo for nothing, when you have to wait in a spawn cue? Why not survive? Why not use teamwork? Besides encouraging teamwork on both sides, this also..

-Increases game times.
-Gives both teams fairly equal opportunties for comebacks. No longer do the marines have that ultimate stand, then strike back with massive res for kill, where aliens have nothing.
-New Tactics. The commander can not rely on RFK to keep income flowing. Neither can the aliens. The RTs gain back some significant value.
-Alien hive importance. Now gaining the res to get a hive is fairly harder. The hive must be kept up at all costs.. this should create those "epic" second/third hive battles in the old 1.0x version. The res takes a little while to accumulate, so if its taken down now, you've bought yourself a ton of time as marines, while aliens must hold their own once againt to attempt the hive again.

RFK can not do any good. Its a gimmick for the "average counterstrike" player, he needs to see immeadiate results from his actions. He cares nothing about his team, only himself. Now he can gain benefits while not helping the team, only looking out for himself. We're trying to drive these players away, but we're only doing the opposite. Team players are driven away by this redeclious system.

Remove RFK.

1) Your argument is unrealistic because if you "gave" the marine team 10 kills not only do you give them 10 res as well, but this would require giving up territory and res nodes as well... If you wanted this scenario to happen, first you would need to organize a suicide alien team. Then you would need to find a marine alone which can happen, not all the time although. Then, you would decide to kill him. You would need the killer to be EXACTLY the person who is good at fade AND make sure the player is a nub because if he's a clanner what makes you think he would get pwned easily? Finally, I also said in my first statement that this could be implemented for A team, not both if it was unbalanced. What you say is possible, but isn't it ALSO possible to "let" the uber fade player get kills in beta5 NS anyways?

2) I will say this again and again: this system does not make better players have bonuses. In fact it is the opposite, the better a player becomes, his bounty increases as well which means tension will still be applied to better players even in a pub game. So now you say you want powershifts and turnovers eh? Well my friend, if a UBER l337 clanner is owning with multiple kills and a player happens to kill the clanner? Guess what, the power is shifted to the player.

3) What this system DOES encourage is a better balanced out kill score. This means the team with this system is encouraged to take turns and allow others to charge first instead of themselves. Therefore I see clanners giving nubs a bigger role and stepping in only when needed instead of heading out first into the scene and taking out the entire alien team while the rest of your team walks in with nothing to shoot. I believe the only true balanced RTS matchup system is the warcraft III system where players are ranked by levels since all the players know it won't be impossible, but still a challenge. Since NS can go nowhere near that level of coding, I believe this system would work well. In a balanced skill game, no player will necessarily outshine the rest. In a "stacked" game, the better players will still have a challenge against average players.

Bottom line: It punishes ramboers, and gives a reason NOT to be alone, which increases teamwork. It allows better players to step back once and a while to give beginners a somewhat bigger role. It even makes a game where you have incredibly skilled players versus average players a challenge for the skilled players as well. Please don't tell me if a team has better players they SHOULD win since it is far more enjoyable if both sides are even. The game should not be impossible to win, but at the same time still a challenge.