First of all: I used the search function, but non of the found topics covered this:


We all know the times you have a 2/50 dude on your team, who alone gave several levels to each single rine (i am not talking about xenocideing players).
I does not matter what causes such stats. They might be new to NS, they might have late joined, they might have a bad day or the might just simply like dieing.

They basically allow the other team to tech up much faster and thus they weaken their own team a lot. Sometimes not the top-scorer decide the match, but the lone 2/50 skulk who keeps feeding the rines.

Frankly speaking i want to prevent this, and here is how:

We all now that the XP givin for a single kill is influecend by the targets level as well as by the number of teammates near the killer.
I basically want to add a third variable:
The kill death ratio of the target.
If i give you any numbers you will shurely kill me...i do it nontheless.

The kill death ration of a player automatically expresses a percentage.

Someone with a 10/1 ratio would be worth 1000% a 1/10 ratio on the other hand would be 10%; i am shure you already guessed this

So what we do is just give out xp as normal, but before we do so we multiply it with the k/d ratio. Someone with a x/0 ratio would cause some troubles (we all know why, dont we ) Thats is why i am also suggesting a highest and a lowest ratio, a cap if you want. These caps could be 250% and 5% i know that 5% is really low and would give nearly no XP, but if someone feeds himself 50 times to the other team he will slowely be lowered from 100% down to 5%, thus feeding much but not boosting player of the enemy team for 3 levels.

Again dont stick to the numbers, they are free to be modified.

Problems:
-Everything that can kill you witheout involving an enemy player could lower your rating. This is why there would be the need to seperate the suicides and teamkill_deaths from normal deaths.


What do we have to expect from this XP-system?
Hopefully games with more comebacks and a co that is in generall more newbie friendly. (you dont hurt your team that much if you happen to die often)

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I stroke enter way to early: could a mod add the following to the subtitle:"Involving the k/d ratio" pls
sincerly me

What about xeno-skulks? They typically have a much worse k/d ratio than other players, but it doesn't mean they aren't skilled

What about a lord grandmaster fade?
I just played co as fade and achieved 64/4. That would be around 20 times normal 10th level experience. So as long as the alien team also posses good players, this suggestion wont change anything, because even though mr.nOOb doesn't give marines much XP, killing lord fade just that 1 time would give the marines 3 levels each. Plus there would be no point in staying alive anymore, unless you could stay at zero deaths, because that one time you get killed you would give as much experince as dying 20 times.

While I would say that rfk and exp change the skulks' role from suicidal squad to res fodder, and that skulks should not fear death (unless the spawn queue is full), this is definately not the way to do it.

It does kinda suck that battles are toned down by doubly-punishing death.

As someone who tends to play co very defensively on aliens (read: camps hive) i STRONGY endorse an idea such as this. When i'm going like 2-3:1, and i'm watching my teamates who are 0-16, i wish for something such as this with all my heart.

Also, this might make 1v1 a bit more interesting. Example: I'm alien, i camp the hive, let you waste ammo on it, and rack up 5 lvls without dying. rine at this point is maybe lvl 3, prolly lvl 2. Now, if i keep slaughtering him, then i get a much slower xp rate. Also, if he manages to kill me, he'd get a serious boost to xp, maybe enough to make a comeback. This would make 1v1 MUCH more interesting. As it is, 1v1 is almost pointless.


perhaps, instead of a hard cap, like max 250% exp gain, it could be a soft cap? like, once you get past 2:1 or some such, it starts going up slower? example: you've got 10 kills, and 3 deaths, 3:1 ratio. When you die, instead of 300% xp gain for the other team, perhaps only 225% or some such. Numbers of course subject to variation.


I do like this idea though. I dislike loosing combat games because of suicidal teamates. Classic is different.

even tough i dont like combat...this idea is very good!

*thumbs uuuuuuuuuuuup*

This would include some really bad discussions between marines.

If I bring down a player, with 133/7 ratio, to 5% percent health and some nOOb accidentally drops by and kills the fade and gets from 1 to 8 instantly with me getting nothing, then I would be really ****. Not only did this newbie get to be level 8 with a ratio of 1/24, I didn't get a dime for focusing all my skills and mind on that one psycho fade.

I would hate this.

Now if a skulk did hard work to bring down this, now level 8 with JP and Shotgun, he wouldn't get any experience for doing difficult leap'n'bite.

This just wouldn't be fair.

He just said there would be a cap, man. You arent going to jump 8 levels, you cap it at 250% max, meaning you get just enough to be recognized, but not enough to shoot your score too high. Besides, I think he needs the experience more than you.

well, i dont think changing the way ns tracks your kills by separating suicides from regular deaths, and hten changing the way xp works would be a simple process.

and i dont really see how it would be all that much better than how it is.. i think it would end up making the game constantly flip flop... aliens would kill a lot, then start not getting any xp.. the marines kill a few aliens, get lots of xp, get stuff real quick, kill lots of aliens, then its repeated... making the game last even longer...

i think a slight revamp of how much xp you get for a kill could be done, but i dont think something like this would really be that much better for the amount of work that would have to be put into it.

but, i do like the idea of a nice reward for killing the focus fade with the 100-7 score... i hate that guy =P

Sorry I wasn't clear: my comments regard the current, old system with the double punishment. The new idea lessens it, but doesn't eliminate it.

Taboofires is krimson


One thing needs to be added: Players with 0 kills should be treated as if they had 1 kill; same for deaths.

Ok here comes a small scenario: co_core 6vs6. A singel rine kills the whole alien team alone and is in the hive. What happens? All aliens are still 100% worth of exp, cause the 0 is treated as a 1 and the rine is maybe about lvl3-4. When he kills them a second time all aliens are only worth 50% exp. (1/2 k/d). The rambo rine should be about lvl5-6 now. Next thing that happens is that our rambo is killed by the alien team 2 times in a row, granting every alien 1.5 lvl. After that he leaves.

This is the worst scenario i can think of hence it does mean that 5 rines have to fight 6 skulks, all of them with leap, 1 kill away from another lvl. But how often does i happen that the topscorer suddenly leaves? Isnt it more likely to have a 1/10 suicide skulk in your team that goes onos once he has reached his fifth lvl.

I like this idea as combat is all about teching up quicker. It'll stop noobs ruining the fun for others.

I would be more limiting on the caps. Say 125% to 25% so that there isn't an amazing bonus for taking out the top players but crap players don't give too much away.

Maybe the xp from a kill should only be affected like this when the player has a 4:1 k:d ratio, or a 1:4 k:d ratio. The players that are extremely good or bad give more/less experience than now, but a game with all average players should be unaffected.

i think lowlvl needs to go to 10% or something.

and yes, co is imbalanced for aliens. especialy skulks are not more then a pile of flysh*t in the morning when the TSA gets SG, resuply and/or armor 1! all in all its just 4 lvls, able to get in like 10 kills. suicidal tendencis last around 15 spawns.

at level 4, aliens can go Fade. Fades are godly in CO. They always were. With the new redemption, Oni are also godly in CO.

I like this idea a lot.