Naxo
Nov 4 2004, 04:45 PM
I'm pretty sure these ideas are not mine (especially the res idea, since there's already a plugin for that) but I didn't find any topic using search, so here we go.
While I'm trying to lead my clan as Alien (you know, "mate do this, mate go there, mate build that"), I often need to know who has res, and who is covering this area of the map etc. I can get the info using voice, of course, but it would be more handy to have this showed each time we need it.
So, here are the 2 features everyone wished in at least one day in their life.
1) Showing your teammates resources.
Could be in the scoretable, on the minimap, or on the screen like the /res plugin does. In pubs, you could easily spot "teh ress****!1"; in clans, you can easily decide how the team will use its ress (mate1 goes onos now, mate2 will go fade, mate3 goes MC while mate4 goes for hive)
2) Showing names on the minimap
While as marine, the comm has it on his interface and should be the only one to have it, for tactic reasons; the aliens don't have it, and it's sometimes hard to "lead" people without this: like you have on your minimap 2 people at one place, and some other place has no cover: you need to take one of those 2 skulks there.
I know everything can be done using HLVoice or any vocal communication system, but still, it would really be a lot more handy to have this included somewhere in the interface.
RobB
Nov 4 2004, 04:50 PM
a) i like the /res plugin
b) this would be nice
c) i though that you wanted to suggest explicit the res on the minimap... god, no!
it would clog everything up, especialy with "omglookatmynameitssolonghlcannotdisplayit!"-dumbards...
however, i agree whole hearted to this one =D
Naxo
Nov 4 2004, 05:41 PM
Yeah, adding names and res on the minimap would make the whole thing unreadable. The way the /res plugin shows it seems the best to me.
CharismaticGorgy
Nov 4 2004, 05:46 PM
Thumbs up for the names on the minimap! It would make the alien teamplay less chaotic...I totally agree with it! Good idea.
RobB
Nov 4 2004, 05:50 PM
addition: the names would have to be written very small - or names would need to be cut by the game itself (much like cs does/did, i dont play it, dont know if it still does) -
or the letters need to be resized to fit below the playericon on the map.
else the whole map would be covered in
[-----------------------so long names-----------------------]
DC_Darkling
Nov 4 2004, 06:47 PM
show names indeed with maybe 5 chars max?
the_x5
Nov 4 2004, 07:16 PM
1) *vote yes* but nothing with the minimap or more sprites taking up any more space on my screen!
Some of you guys like really busy maps, sometime I just liek to turn it all off and enjoy the visual show. The maps and comabt is beautiful, I don't like a zillion sprites in my view showing all kinds of craptastic information.
2) *vote no*
Way to many issues, not everyone as a nice 2 letter name as I do, and btw, did anyone mention clan tags? I see seven -=SoM=... people which one are you? Sorry but more clutter on the minimap will cause me to invent a little trick not to see it, especially when finding a person is as easy as looking for the voice icon or talking to the person via typing or mic.
PS: What is it with "please more clutter" suggestions? Not getting you information overload effect as commander anymore?
RobB
Nov 4 2004, 07:27 PM
ehm... many clans have their tag at the end, #viel (= much) for example:
> quatscht zu #viel (talks to #much)
> stirbt zu #viel (dies to #much)
english translation only for you so you dont think "what the heck does this mean?!" - they dont name themselfs that way!
Naxo
Nov 4 2004, 07:34 PM
As nicknames' length are an issue, you can find a way to solve this, such as the game assigning numbers from 1 to 6 (or more...) to each players (on the /res display e.g., if we use the same display as the /res plugin) and displaying it on the minimap instead of the complete nickname?
Meto
Nov 4 2004, 07:38 PM
Nice ideas but I suggest you make seperate threads for different ideas in the future.
Yes to permanent /res plugin.
I don't know about the minimap idea. If a good system (not a clever system) can be thought of then yes.
RobB
Nov 4 2004, 07:56 PM
+showscores (scoreboard) shows numbers before names, these numbers are used on +showmap. problem solved... someway.
BobTheJanitor
Nov 4 2004, 07:57 PM
Res on scoreboard... maybe. The problem with this, and you see it a lot on /res servers, is that people then get into arguments about it. Trying to tell someone to drop the hive when they insist on saving for fade. (and maybe they're a terrible fade and you're right, or maybe they're an awesome fade and you shouldn't bother them, who knows?) Everyone wants to tell everyone else what to do with their res.
And on the name suggestion, big no. It's perfectly fine to just look at your minimap and say "Hey, skulk near Triad, can you go bite this RT?"
RobB
Nov 4 2004, 07:58 PM
| QUOTE (BobTheJanitor @ Nov 4 2004, 09:57 PM) |
| And on the name suggestion, big no. It's perfectly fine to just look at your minimap and say "Hey, skulk near Triad, can you go bite this RT?" |
"No, I don't think he means me. And, btw... what is a Triad?"
Naxo
Nov 4 2004, 08:04 PM
And if there's 2 skulks in triad...
"one skulk goes southloop"
2 skulks going to southloop
"no, one of you goes back!"
2 skulks going back
"NO I SAID ONE NOT BOTH"
Etc...
That thing happens a lot in my clanmatches ("one of the skulk in triad, go to eclipse").
About the "reswar" in pubs because of /res, you could easily limit it to tournamentmode ("because it's only useful in organized matches").
BobTheJanitor
Nov 4 2004, 08:07 PM
Limiting it to tournament mode sounds decent.
The names on minimap might work if it's toggleable. Either by console, or by keypress. Or maybe have a different key to bind for those that want it. Either +showmap or +shownamesmap. I just know having it up all the time would be way too much junk on the screen at one time to be able to follow what's going on with the rest of the team.
KeksImperium
Nov 4 2004, 08:33 PM
cant a plugin like the res one goes into the game as it is?
i found it quite easy to use (once you knot it is there

)
also i cant live without anymore
RobB
Nov 4 2004, 09:36 PM
| QUOTE (BobTheJanitor @ Nov 4 2004, 10:07 PM) |
| Limiting it to tournament mode sounds decent. |
Tourney Mode: On for default / not changeable? nice...
Casual Mode: All time off? no... please not.
make it sv_resdisp 1/0 and it would be good imo
Naxo
Nov 5 2004, 12:32 AM
| QUOTE (KeksImperium @ Nov 4 2004, 10:33 PM) |
cant a plugin like the res one goes into the game as it is?
i found it quite easy to use (once you knot it is there :D) also i cant live without anymore ::nerdy:: |
Yeah, it's definitely a great plugin, and I can't think of a better way to display teammates' res. But still, it isn't official, and as such, can't be used in clan matches. :)
pip1
Nov 5 2004, 11:22 AM
Names already show up on the hive sight, and since aliens basicly are bacteria, they shouldnt be that organized.
The res stuff sounds fine to me. I rarely see disputes about what the res should be used for. Personally I always suggest stuff, never ever order people, as that will never work unless you're actually their leader (ie. clan). Such as "naxo, could u put hive up?" "robb, fade perhaps?" etc. People might refuse, but it usually works. And u never get the "SUYF" reply.
Naxo
Nov 5 2004, 12:59 PM
Actually, someone suggested me to remove the name on the hive sight and only put it someway on the minimap, because names are sometimes in the center of the screen on your crosshair and blocking vision.
RobB
Nov 5 2004, 03:45 PM
| QUOTE (pip|- @ Nov 5 2004, 01:22 PM) |
Names already show up on the hive sight, and since aliens basicly are bacteria, they shouldnt be that organized.
The res stuff sounds fine to me. I rarely see disputes about what the res should be used for. Personally I always suggest stuff, never ever order people, as that will never work unless you're actually their leader (ie. clan). Such as "naxo, could u put hive up?" "robb, fade perhaps?" etc. People might refuse, but it usually works. And u never get the "SUYF" reply. |
I'd wish I could turn off HSight for that reason! Its so f**king annoying when an alien sits behind a wall in front of you and a marine is between you and that wall... you see SH*T because of the HSight bleep!
also... if you say to me "can you go fade?" you get a dry "I never go fade".
(instead i would put up a hive if you want, but fade - *shudders* - uaaahrghs.)
PoMMe7
Nov 5 2004, 07:46 PM
This proposal should be considered with extreme interest. I deem the /res plugin to be one of the best TeamPlay enhancement ever created for NS.
Also the naming concept would be more equitable, not to say logical.
Naxo has definitely my agreement on both ideas.
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