I like.
Anything to limit the marine's mobility (the aliens are the mobile ones, after all)

Yeah, I go with that too. Would make lerks a much better counter.

3 minutes of flight would allow the first JPer to shottie **** all 3 hives in a row without touching ground and still having enough fuel to go shop for beer for the victory party. I agree with strenghtening the OC to counter JPs. Make them 5 res and hitscan and JPs would have a hard time owning the hive by themselves. In addition you would encourage more use of HA since they are practically immune to WOLs.

Two good ideas which unfortunately are only in the future forum...

But seriously, just use the two I reiterated there and not this "fuel" stuff. Leave the fuel for the chainsaw.

Try to tke down a JP on your equal skill-level 1v1, and you will end up dead 90% of the time.

nicely said, also, ive never had that big of a problem killing JPERS.

I do it every combat game I play.. so 90% seems a little high for me.. My success rate is actually higher when I'm the only one trying to take them out (since then I'm not blocked).. I have killed 10-12 Jper's in one round of combat before..

LOL!
Onos = teh crap³²!
you cant compare a 15 tons meatmountain that is recently engineered to be weak hit and run with a 200km/h cruise missile aka jp!
the current jp lets you fly around the hive minimum 7 times.. enough to take it at least down to 25% healthpoints!

and, zunni, try to wait for a jp to cross your path while there are 3 of them - 2 attacking hive, one spawncamping; each with resup and shotgun or higher...

I'd say the entity_hiveroom should slow down the jp to 75% - lets say, the hive emits some kind of weaker spores/umbra (invisible) which chokes the jet-engine of the jp, or the gathered bacteria in the hive room does that.

Actually it's 10x easier in regular NS since they don't have resupply spamming them nonstop. JP'ers are incredibly easy to stop even at hive1 provided they don't reach the hive. Once that happens then yeah they become a royal pain in the butt

exacly

But were they equally skilled with you? Sure, I've also taken down stacks and bunches of JPs in 1 game, but I was also much better skill-wisely than they were.

And it's not really that easy to intecept a good JP flypattern with a lerk, because with the current manueverablilty the flypatterns looks like god damn Picasso paintings.

But, it has been told that balance changes are on their way in B6, so I'm not so worried.

okay lets look at cost,

onos: 75 res plus 2-6 res for upgrades, the team incures a 30 res cost for the first set of upgraddws, and a 70 res set of the second, and an additioanl 70 for third ability.

Total Cost: 77-81 res , and an additional 30-170 res from the team( this is 79/100 if going onos at hive2)

Fade: 52-56 per fade, 30-170 res cost from aliens team (54/100 at second hive)


now lets look at the cost of a jetpack:

15 for jet pack, 10 for shot gun, 5 for welder = 30 res per jetpacker

team costs: 25 for arms lab 20 for amory, 30 for upgraded armory, 40 for protolab, 20 for armor1, 30 for armor2, 40 for armo 3, 20 for weapons1, 30 for weapons2, 40 for weapons 3, 35 for jetpack reasearch

Team cost- 125(no upgrades)-330 all upgrades.

Essentially each onos is worth a bit more than 2 and a helf jetpackers, now 2 jetpackers can do alot more damage to a hive than 1 onos can do to a defended base. It is also signifigantly more difficult to kill 2 jetpackers geting meds and ammo, than to kill 1 onos, even with umbra and healthspray.

now, 3 light marines with hmgs(20 res each) can own an onos pretty easilly... how many lerks and fades does it take to kill 2 jetpakers?


Although jetpacks are a top-tier unit, they are not as valuable to the marine team as say a fade or an onos, would be to a alien team, becuase theyu are so much cheaper to produce once the reasearch is done.

As meatshield said, the principle or marine tactics is group movement and focused fire, jet packes are the opposite of that, they are used as a swarm of individuals to take down a hive or attack a group of aliens. When was the last time you saw a pack of jetpackers coming down a hallway together?

Jetpacks should be nerfed, either through a fuel counter or though increased cost/recharge time.

As for the fual idea, why not make it hve 1-2 minutes of fuel, in addition to a recharge time. this would encourage jetpack team play, while reducing thier ability to rambo hives.