My idea is to make the movement chamber a bit better in two ways

1 make the chamber when build eminate a electrical discharge that permeates the nerby ground to a raduis of its current adren rechange the electrical change would for story reason would scramble the microcircutry of the marines nanites rendering them uselees an unable to constucte the structures material form for the marines to set up

2 the above mentiond electrical field would also have a side effect off being of the same electrial feild generated buy all aliens in doing so the observators sweap would see on big circle insteaded of the actual builsdings and such making it so the marine couldent just seige it /////or the feild could compleatly remove the aleins electrica persacne so its still undetectable to obs scarrer sweap

Ok I almost understand this.. Can someone translate it for me?

ok here goes the movement chamber creates a field that shuts down nanites making comander droping a chair or something in side the chamers circle imposable

2nd thing was that the same field also eather removes alien bio signs or scrambles the observatiors scaner swaep making siege lock imposable

So you want to have the mc be a "no build zone" for marines?

Except ninja PG's are a big part of the game atm, and this would make them impossible since 1 MC in each hive would mean no ninja PG's ever....

Actually I kind of like this the more I think about it.. In order to ninja a PG, a player has to sacrifice himself and kill the MC chamber near or in the hive. Assuming he does that and the aliens don't rebuild, then the marines can ninja a PG...

Hmmmm, very interesting..

The MC would probably have to be a little weaker HP wise to compensate, and to make it easier for a marine to start a PG/etc.

Ninja PGs are a good teamwork strategy and can be rather fun.

Like the idea but

*vote no*

Besides, this would cause issues with relocation. Remove my ability to relocate and I'll never the NS version that has this. I will not be forced to hold my base in MS. I always relocate when I command.

MC spam to create no-build zones all over the map will ruin the game. I mean as alien all you have to do is put an MC at every res node and you can easily win. Totally unbalancing.

~edit~ (after some thinking)

Perhaps this would be best of instead of making a no-build zone the electrical field cause nano-gridlock to shift in the aliens favor. Much like how SC and DC do. It could make motion tracking not work well in those areas (blue circle disappears) and make other nanite depending tasks like drops not work well. (in a well covered area marine commanders get 50% of their drop command ignored or something)

I love how you attribute you logic back to scientific fact.

However:

I might also want to mention a marine counter for their structures: magnetic shielding. (seen commonly in hard drives for instance)

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No biological system can generate that much of an electric or magnetic field. We are talkign about microampres here. But you did remind me of something interesting. Biological systems can develope large electromagnetic potential (voltage) as is seen in skulks' xenocide and in earth lifeforms like electric eels or even at a much lower level in neuron signals. So perhaps the MC can have a touch-based self-defense. Where is a marine get close enough it has cnidariocytes like a cnidarian (jelly fish) and stings the attacker with elctricity and shoot mini-whips into the victims flesh and injects a poison. MC could evolve this trait in other colony creatures like the diploid units. (hive, skulk, lerk, gorge, fade, onos, etc.) Hmm or maybe this is all the function of a new chamber, not an MC but a special type of trait giving OC... Now I'm getting a new idea. Thanx for insipring me.

And if the MC was built in a vent next to an RT, a la subjunction vent...

Marine: dubya tee eff?

This seems like something more in keeping with the function of SCs rather than MCs. SCs already render MT mostly useless within their range. And this would also make OCs basically useless. Why put OCs in a siege area to guard when you can just drop an MC and know that marines will HAVE to attack it to be able to put up a siege base? The OC could be blocked or ignored by constant medspam at least.

Or maybe the MC would let marines drop buildings, but no med or ammo spam.

Throw in increased build time for good measure also (increase of 1.5x maybe).

That way the chamber doesn't stop ninja's and surprise seiges, rather it slows them down (while the aliens might remain unaware). Also if the marine do get detected, they have a much greater likelyhood of getting killed and the phase destroyed before they get it up. This would still give forward MC's more of a use than allowing a gorge to spit, heal, or bilebomb indefinitely (which can be useful, but not worth 10 res).

i kind of like it.

but, you wouldnt want the circle of no-buildability to be like enourmous... like definately no bigger than a room, and most rooms it wouldnt reach the outsides.

i think also it should only affect certain buildings... like CCs or ips, or things like that, but not rts and pgs... or maybe something like 2 MCs for certain buildings.

maybe even make the build time increase for marine buildings, or something like that.

because this, if not properly executed, could be a big abuse issue with a-hole gorges..


this also could help decide that mc is the first chamber

You want to know why this is bad?

In order to have a MC be effective it needs a certain radius. As shown radius' can go through walls. Thus you can PREVENT siege points by building behind a wall in a hive room preventing siege placement. This would drastically hamper the marines. Plus a MC logically would not be the #1 chamber producing interference with the nano-gridlock. Also the nano-gridlock prevents this from occuring supposedly. Maps would have to be redesigned for this to work.

MC currently are as EFFECTIVE as DC on the offense. They sit there and provide support to lifeforms that need adren and healing. Cloaking provides cover. All of them provide offense and defense somewhat equally. MC work especially well for higher lifeforms who use their adren much more quickly.

As for ninja phasegates. I consider it to be a very good twist in NS gameplay that can change the scales of who is winning. Same with a skulk which takes out a key structure when the time is right, and many other attributes. Taking this away is like taking a tech-branch away from the marines.

I'd say make OCs prevent structure dropping in a small area (so you can still siege them with ease) , and MCs prevent equipment dropping. So if a gorge could sneak both in the marine start , they would be in trouble...

Another merit is that luring OCs with structures would be much harder.

After reading the pros and cons, I'm not convinced that this would be a bad thing.

As for seige points, I'm a little tired tbh, that marines can with very little effort on their part get an entire base built out side an alien encampment, it takes teamwork rarely found on pubs to take it out.

All this would mean is the sg'ers would have to rush the hive, take out the MC and then retreat to build their base, I think it's fair (in certain respects) that marines should have to stick their necks out for a few seconds..

TBH, this sort of idea probably won't go in ever.. But it's certainly an intriguing enough idea to continue to be talked about..

MC range is considerably shorter than siege range. You wouldn't be able to block all siege spots with one MC in the hive. I like this idea, but I disagree with the concept of MCs being unsiegable; what if instead, structures in the chamber's radius couldn't be sieged, but the MC itself could be? That way, an MC that's built close enough to block a siege spot could be sieged itself if the marines went a little further back.

oh poo, I just replied on a thread about making use of the MC in terms of structural or something, not just player.

Maybe not so much a build zone killer is the right idea the MC, but maybe more along the lines of a siege inhibitor in a very short range (detonates siege blast about 10-20 units out LOS).

storytime
"The MC was an unanticipated adaptation for the growing threat of the marines' technology" "the hive mind felt an alteration in physics which it hadn't seen before, which was destroying its lifeforms without ANY major tactical disadvantages" "the marines could annihilate any futile resistance THROUGH SOLID MATTER which could not be compensated for!" "after contemplation the hive mind recognized a pattern in the disturbances caused by this weapon, and began to catalyze a instantaneous reaction to destabilize the attack preemptively before it caused harm to nearby structures" "unfortunately the neurological response was not completely fast enough to cancel out the disturbance before it came in close proximity merely because of the split second response time needed, instead it would detonate the siege preemptively" "in reality the MC was capable of at least protecting structures in direct range of its neurological response"

I think it's brilliant.

It wouldn't be anything totally unbalancing in the favour of the aliens, because MCs are already very fragile and 1½ LMG mag is enough to clear it away.

It would also be a very good solution to prevent CC blocking and using TFs as OC bait.

I can't see why this boost to MC should go unaccounted for because MC isn't the most useful chamber as it is (unless hive 2 in which case celerity gets very important).

I think this would overpower the aliens.

I think the MCs should just prevent the building of Tfacs in its radius, AND its radius has almost no vertical component. This will help against a gorge just dropping an MC in a vent, and the marines not being to do anything about it until JPs. I can just imagine the vents under power sub junction in eclipse. *shudders*

I dont think this would overpower aliens at all, it would just add a new element to gameplay. The gorge can decide to either gather RT, or deny marines of RT at a cost to the team (10 Res for one single Movement tower, at the cost of putting up an RT will slow the aliens severely early game, and is not a viable choice for early game play, so, that wont happen)

But it makes marines actually have to do something actively when siegeing a base, they need to rush in and kill the movement chamber, so that they can setup a mini siegebase, and in close proximity to the movement chamber, they are unable to recieve massive medspam (Medkits nad ammo are slowed at drop rate in AOE of MC) so its not as simple as running in killing hte MC then setting up a Ninja PG/Siegebase.

How about making it so the MC doesnt nullify scan sweep, but distorts siege cannon fire, making it unpredictable, and random, so you can still scansweep siege, but your chances of hitting the hive or MC are mid to low. (Personally, id just love to see random siege spam in a hive, making the entire floor a deathgrid for aliens)

This wont effect early game very much, only in certain maps, but its more geared for mid to endgame defence. A lone MC in a vent shouldnt be that hard to take out, and I highly doubt that the aliens could deny every single RT on the map in the first minutes of a game. Just make/edit certain maps/vents with no Build zones perhaps. Seeing as mines can be used as a ladder to get to a vent, I really dont see much of a problem, apart from marine inconvenience at having to crawl through a vent.

I don't think its that good.

We simply place a few MCs midgame here and there, in corners and stuff, near that nice little WOL we made, etc.

Anywhere where there is a group of structures or a hive we place 1 or more MCs, never siege, never build, let them take it all down by GL and silly weapons.

gg

vote no