I just want the pistol to be changed slightly..

1) the pistol now can shoot underwater. Right now the only thing that can kill in the water is a knife, marines should atleast have 1 gun that can work underwater so i think the pistol should be the one.(If you ever played bast, you know aliens love to go underwater because you cant use guns there, )

2)Extra ammo is changed from 30 to 50 spare ammo. It will make Pistol Lovers very happy.!

3)Since it has a very small clip, and does little damage, it Now takes one clip at a time from the armory.

these small changes won't power up the pistol too much or nerf it, it will just make it more useful when the battle goes underwater.


Pistol can shoot underwater
Has 50 spare ammo
takes one clip of ammo from armory.

The pistol underwater would be great!

I train with the pistol to increase my accuracy with things like the LMG and more ammo would be great for it (never use my LMG again lol

A full clip from the armory sounds good if the extra ammo is bumped to 50 however you are wrong in the fact that pistols do little damage, that is not true.

LMG does 10 Dmg per bullet.

Pistol does 20 Dmg per bullet.

Why does every one read my mind...


I was just gonna suggest this exept under water is a protolab upgrade for extra ammo i agree many times have i deplited my lmg only to find i have no spare ammo in my pistol...

And i think all guns should take a full clip. Should the marine have to glue his clips together?

Heres a short Crash Course.

well, yes. Any Weapon excluding Firearms with external Charges, LIke Black powder Rifles, Can Fire underwater.
The Thing is that Not all Weapons can Fire *repeatedly* Underwater. This is because many weapons are Gas Operated. Meaning they use the Gasses created from the Propellant of the Bullet, and force them through a small Tube next to the Barrel, and Use that High Pressure Gas to Force the Bolt Back again and reload the weapon so it can be fired again. The Problem is that those gasses are extremely soluble in water. So, You can fire the gun once, But It wont reload automatically. Exceptions to this rule are weapons that Are Not Gas Operated (Just about any Pistol), or Gas Operated weapons that Require very little Pressure to operate (Like the AK47)

You can stick any Automatic Rifle underwater and fire it as many times as you like though if you are willing to manually charge the Bolt between every shot. And Most Pistols can also be fired underwater with No problems. Pistols making use of any Browning Type mechanism (Short Recoil to name one) work underwater, which is about 75% of all automatic pistols. Other Pistols, Like anything produced by HK (Excluding the P9-S) are Gas operated and have the same trouble as Gas operated Rifles.

Getting to the matter at hand though.. Are you really underwater that often that you need an underwater weapon? I can count all the times Ive been underwater in NS off on one hand.

I knew weapons could operate under-water, but I thought most ended up useless after the first shot due to some internal damage.

nope, just a feeding problem.
So technically both the Pistol and Shotgun could be used underwater, but have almost no range and do little damage. In short why bother being technical when you can just say 'it don't work' and be done

Exactly. Brig, don't forget the difference in density between water and air, not to mention the barrel-crack caused in most guns from a 'flash boil' when a bullet is fired.
One bullet, yes. Then the gun is dead. A few are exceptions to the rule, but most will not work, or will work at a severely reduced range underwater.

Well, anyway, regardless of how little use this would be, does anyone disagree with the statement that it wouldn't hurt? I mean, very little use is still more than none, and you might be glad it did work if you for any reason were in a situation where you'd need to fire under water.
Realism is generally not a big issue in NS, so it'd be hypocrisy to deny this on that basis alone...

we could just reduce the rof to simulate the re-fill of the chamber with the bullet per hand...

or who said that the marine's weapon are using the for underwater ineffective mechanics?

True, we dont often do things for the sake of being realistic.
However, A shotgun will not work underwater. Shotgun shells arent water tight, and if you let them soak in water, you will ruin the powder. Smokeless powder can be diluted and then dried out again, but it will burn unpredictably and is very dangerous. This is because it loses it structured shape. Smokeless powder comes in Ball Powder and Stick Powder Varieties, It is formed in these ways for optimal combustion rate.. If you soak it, and then dry it out though, It doesnt form back the same way, and will combust differently. It could not go off at all, It could fizzle out, Or It can fire at any given time after youve pulled the trigger. The safest thing to do with Shells that have been submerged for more than a few minutes is to just throw them out.

Getting back on topic, Considering how few times you are actually underwater, there is really no need to have an underwater weapon, However, Considering how few times you are actually Underwater, theres no reason Not to have one either.
Its not really a balance change if it hardly ever happens.

Nobody else has mentioned that aliens STILL have to get close to you to deal damage.

So you know what you have to do : Pull out a knife!

It's not like aliens can send a bite through water over a distance or 50km and cause lots of pain on your arm

And anything more than a skulk in water should actually be out of water because it's simply faster to travel via land. And we all know that skulks == great knife practise.

So even if you die underwater, one of you had to die in the process

So in either case, it's a win-win situation XD

How about OCs then? I dare you, try to knife an OC under water.

Get a commander dedicated to keep you alive with a godly amount of meds and yes you will be able to knife it.

But seriously, why won't people take the land routes, especially if they already have the water passage blocked? Hitting that OC is just a surefire way to let the aliens know that you're travelling underwater, hence killing your 'sneak through the water' plan.

And whatever gorge that put that OC down is is a smart gorge TBH.

Which is why it's fun to make that into a sekrat gorge upgrade area, to keep three chambers of each type safe, behind a bunch of OCs. With space in the middle to hide your entire team in case of a hive-rush by the Marines.

Finally.. an area where Kharaa can turtle up ALMOST as well as Marines do, when they know the game is lost.

OMG SEKRAT BASE!

Or Was it Flooded City... Cant remember..

Im gonna run the idea of the underwater pistol by the rest of the team and see what they think. It could work, could not work. I dont think it matters one way or the other given the lack of water on NS maps.

I always thought marines should stay out of the water. Right now you can even shoot while you are swimming (and surfaced).

I took the liberty of googling the following resource: http://www.topglock.com/info/faq.htm

I already Explained the situation with underwater Firearms, X5. But thanks for reiterating it anyway. That is a Gas operation specific Problem. Older Firearms such as Colt 1911's and Like I said, any Pistol using the Browning Short Recoil mechanism operate independatnly of Gas pressure and instead rely on the backward force of the Empty Cartridge after firing to cycle the mechanism. All Gasses created exit through the Ejection Port and Barrel. They May not operate reliably so, But they wont explode like a Glock.

In addition, It is a point that firing a weapon underwater Near a solid object is probably the worst Idea you could have. Even if the concussion doesnt kill you, you will without a doubt be extremely disoriented. To top that off, Bullets are nowhere near accurate under water, they go all over the place.

aw man, all i wanted was some small pistol changes so marines can actually do something if aliens turtle up underwater.

and 5 extra clips for the pistol

np BrigadierWolf. Just trying to give a clear explaination to anyone who would try to refute you.

PS: it really depends on ammo, and I think from what I've read there are some types of ammo with all the reactant in them and can fire underwater. Since NS is a futuristic game you think the military technology would go with a basic gun that can fire under extreme conditions. So while the bullets might fly a little screwy, it should work. The GL absolutely should work since it is air pressure propelled.

I can fire my carbon-dioxide propelled, stock-class paintball marker underwater and have used this ability once to get a crazy shot from out of the water at an unsuspecting defender. I just don't like to do it because the surface tension and the dense liquid slows and make the ball fly off at a funny angel. And the drips on the ball usually discenter it making it spiral or curve. (funny for paintballs, bad for bullets)

So I suggest:

pistol underwater - eh, maybe but have to take into account dizzyness (or death) and probably only one shot and you would certainly be deaf
grenade-launcher underwater - sure, why not?

Zunni I recommend using some of the original Hl source regarding angles of incidence and velocities with the crossbow's arrow to help you. Copy, paste, apply, tweak.

imagine this on MVM.... i always luv a gud underwater knife fight, but hell now ull have ppl pistol whipping underwater!

but overall, yes all the way, and the same with underwater gl's... but they should be very slow underwater (in otherwords u fire em they wont go far away from u, so swim backwards while ur spammin!)