If you can't provide some reasoning to your argument please stay out of my thread thankyou.

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No wait dont leave the thread I just realized you are exactly the kind of person that needs to have the information I am trying to get out here. I see that you have joined the forum fairly recently obviously you have been mis-informed regarding motion tracking against sensory. Please go back and re-read my previous posts I assure you the information is correct.


And on top of that I will give you another reason why early motion tracking against sensory is a mistake. While you are researching mt you will not be able to use that observatory to scan, which means there is a pretty good chance you will lose at least one encounter during that time which could have been prevented.

Just tested this out, and yes I'm wrong.

Could've sworn i've tracked a cloaked skulk before, though. Did MT ever track cloaked skulks?

And regarding strategies to combat the sensory:

Electrify. This is the only situation where electrification strategies is acceptable. They limit alien res, and they can't do a thing about the res nodes until the second hive is up, and by that time they'll last a bit longer and will have paid off well.

Armor upgrades don't go that far, either. 2 focus bites,swipe,gore = dead marine with armor level 1 - 3. You just have to out-tech them before they get a second second hive (assuming that they can surpress the marines enough to get one up).

The second bite comes less than half a second after the first. How often will the marines kill it in that time?

This is true as unless they have serveral million res to sapm sensories so the entire damn map is cloaked motion is good.

Think like this, skulk is ryunning around with cloacking (RUNNING yes hes not cloaked because there is nothing nearby) Another person warns him of amriens either via SoF of hearing then the stop and cloak, hopwever the marines has picked them up on motion and when the loose the dot they ask the comm to ping the area and bam unclocked skulk = dead.

HOWEVER & BUT (very big ones)

This doenst work on a pub EVER. In clan games its good because most teams only get the three sensory chambers because resources are fairly slow in clan matches unless you are truly dominating.

Hecne they will onyl clock when they get nearby so motion can help you get a vague posistiong of hwere to scan.

I find the counter to SC isn't one item in particualr you have to think and use all the tools at your disposale (hence the MT scan combo).

Also if they have SC electified RT + Obs under the elec range works wonders at chokepoints like RT's in the middle of the map or outside a hive. ALso whenever you go to siege a huive or set up a pg drop an obs nulifies cloaking.

Hmm after all this OB's seem to be the counter (+ some brains though) but you need to use the ob's technoligies in combiation for full effect.


BTW Motion > Silence (USE IT WHEN THEY GET MC) bye bye sneaking silent skulks plus lost of "OMGHAX HOW DID U'S NOHES" for the funny factor.

I have binded map to my mouse2 and i look it almost all the time. That is why no skulk ambushes me with mt. I think all veteran players do it because it keeps you updatet about what is going in the game. So I think that if you have good players in your team, mt is ok.

I think turretfarming and elec rts do pretty good job (never in normal game, but sc first is special strat). Even average hive lockdown (pg + elec rt) is almost impossible to clear with focusfade. Ofcourse a1 is 1st choice (I think it should bve always 1st up)

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SC > MT > Ambushes > Marines

Any alien in the range of a sensory chamber will not show up on the minimap nor will it show up as a blue circle on your screen. Not only will the marines be walking in blind, once in the room they can't see cloaked aliens. Also, chances are if you went MT first, you won't be getting armor 1 for a little while so focus bites rape the marines.

Did you read a word I said in the post RIGHT above yours? Seriously.

scan > sc > mt > ambushes > marines

Scan a choke point and good bye aliens.

Thats because commanders at pubs are extremely lazy or misunderstand their job. 95% of the time should be spent watching over the marines and 5% upgrading. How many comms do you meet who drop meds while you are in the middle of combat. Not many. Most you have to call 10 times before they respond. Commanders with quick response can force a win in large games just by accurately medding their marines and pushing those marines to the alien hive.

I like how neither of your reasons have any relevance to the game :S Sensory limits the need for upgrades past arm1/catpack allowing res to be better distributed to more powerful upgs like mt And as sensory is an almost purely defensive upgrade the purpose is to expand and hold until tier 2 adv is attained, which should be no issue if you shift res focus :/

Well one of his reasons is correct. Marines get over confident, lose their proper movements techniques and it disrupts the balance between offensive and defensive movements. For example Joe marine sees a blob around the corner so he runs out at it thinking he has a kill, next thing he knows a skulk is coming down on him from the top. Mt is quiet useless, sound and scan is much much better.

Could you please rephrase that so I, or anyone else reading this knows what you are trying to say? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about, and who gets captacks?....

So are you saying focus, an upgrade that increases damage, is defensive? And if sensories are purly defensive what are DEFENSE CHAMBERS for? Regeneration, Redemption, and Carapace are certainly defensive upgrades.

Not trying to bash you or anything just try rephrasing all of that so it makes sense.

No relavence to the game? Ok, try this. Get on a pub where aliens get sensory, and have half a brain. Get motion tracking first. See how horrific the slaughter is. MT is a strategic upgrade that lets you beat the aliens by simply knowing what they're doing. That's the point of motion tracking, it's near impossible for the aliens to do anything with a commander that knows how to move marines around.

Sensory allows for a lot of active upgrade abilities, namely focus. I can't understand half of what you posted, so I'll try to understand it as best I can (taking a guess that english isn't your first language, based on the sig). Have you played this game at all as the commander? Do you know how difficult it is to get armor1, and arms lab upgrade, and motion tracking, and obs upgrade, in the first minutes of the game? If you plan on being offensive at all, you choose one or the other. Late armor1 = gg focus 1 hit kills you, and late motion tracking is quite worthless. It's most definitely not a defensive upgrade set, it's great for maximizing surprise and therefore maximizing damage done. Defense is about survival, movement is about speed and endurance, sensory is about surprise. The focus of sensory isn't to defend until the second hive is up, that is the ENTIRE ALIEN TEAMS DESIGN. The 3 chambers simply give you 3 different ways to go about it.

If you think motion tracking is more powerful than higher upgrades on the arms lab, you're sadly mistaken. Motion helps you know where that fade is, a lvl2 shotgun will kill the fade, motion won't. In fact I would think sensory would make people want to upgrade, as a lvl3 shotgun has a ridiculous affect on fades. It's quite possibly the most destructive weapon in the game in terms of all around stopping/killing power on both aliens and their structures. That alone makes arms labs upgrades more powerful than motion tracking.

NS is an odd game because of the crazy skill differences. Don't think just because some random strat that's really not the correct one to use in the situation works on some random pub that it's good. I'm sure motion tracking works on a lot of pubs against sensory, that doesn't mean it's the right upgrade to get it for, because it's not a counter. In fact sensory is the counter to motion tracking for reasons already stated. So if you want to critique what I write, please do so with an explanation of why I'm wrong, not a paragraph that really is difficult for everyone to read.