hey, i use to play lerk way back when they actually had spikes, now they brought bite back and it just is ew...i was wondering if there is anyway , or a chance it can happen one day, if lerks could have spike/bite @ slot 1, or take bite away and add spikes back....bite makes lerks too offensive and they are spose to be more passive, team supporting alien , spikes help them be more supportive by not gettin up close and still killing ppl

i dont care if u ppl think spikes suck, they rule

Lerkspike - This places spikes in Slot 1, if the server has it running and enabled.

yah i've played at servers with that, but i'd like it back for real, for scrims and stuff

Just DL ns 2.0 for steam.

spikes were taken out because you shouldnt be able to shoot down tfs with them

lerks are meant for support anyway, theres no reason you should be sitting there spiking a marine in the first place

They don't really serve the 'support' role with bite, either. They're kind of like the lesser Fade right now.

so lets take out bite AND spikes accoring to you

die ns!

Problem with lerk is.

-Far to expensive for it's health. (Its a weaker flying gorge that harasses you, usually from a vent)

-To use your main weapon you have to slowly fly at the marine and hopefully dodge without celerity then you have a pitch battle, two marines you're dead without running away.

I have learned that celerity is more energy effective, you don't need more then two spore clouds out at any time if you're going in for a bite, bite and run, spore them to weaken them for two bites, re-spore as you fly around a corner and they should be vitally wounded or near death.

Also, lerks can't kill anything with bite without risking death or if the comm doesn't med the marines when you spore.

No kills and a support role is a gorge without the ability to make things, I've become pretty skilled with lerking and see why people didn't like being it, I play Combat because its to difficult to be a lerk in NS and be worth the res you put in lerk, unless theres a vent in marine spawn dieing to have a sporer.

The lerk is powerful with celerity, which it usually doesn't have in the beginning, at hive 2 this is where the lerk shines, but, hive 1 the lerk is merely okay and is just a harasser in a vent or always in the next room from the marine group.

Its basically the underdog supporter that people don't appreciate until umbra.

I've played with lerk spikes mod, and they are way overpowered. 2 of them can stop an entire HA train if they are near a hive.

bc, spikes are gods answers to kill ha rushers, and they are just so gg

hmm i started playing ns quite a while after it came out and have no idea what spikes are and do..

someone kindly explain plz?

you arent meant to stop a ha train with a lerk.

if youre a lerk then spam umbra for the onos and fades.

if you dont have 2 hives and they are on the top of their tech tree... well, chances are you will lose. no lerk is gonna make a difference there.

Idea: Instead of lerk being a flying skulk let it be a flying gorge, it can build and whatnot, still has spores and umbra, but the rest is gorge weapons. But you cant build while flying.

build while flying, flying around the base dropping oc's roflstix, it'd be like a freaking ww2 bomber

just make spikes do half damage to structures and walla the lerk spike killing structures is solved

spikes should do like 25 dam max...

Umm right now spikes with the plugin do 20 damage a pop, and the rate of fire is about 4 per second. It is horrendously overpowered. A hitscan weapon that has NO cone of fire (even the pistol isn't 100% accurate), infinite range, and does as much damage as an HMG does per hit, and can take down a marine with no armor in slightly longer than a second from who knows how far away, and can take down level3 HA using spikes only in half a minute by itself is ridiculous.

2 Lerks and one Onos completely stopped our heavy train trying to kill Refinery hive, and the Lerks did most of the damage.

bite ?=? spores > spikes

so yeah, i dunno if bite is better then spores or vice versa but they both are better then spikes

spore > spike due to its area affect but with the exception mentioned that spores cannot damage heavies or buildings from a distance as spikes can

i personally think spikes should stay removed

when the hell did spike become the all powerfull uber weapon? wasn't it changed from v2 becuase people were bitching that the lerk couldn't do **** in a fight? I know that having bite, spike, spore, and umbra is very powerfull but knocking one of those outs makes the lerk fairly balanced.

I say lerk from 1.04 was owning.

From weapons point of view then.

haha,i posted before reading the whole thread

this is for alien strats kindof...not for you to whine cause you havent tried to learn how to lerk

theres general chat for that

or think up some crazy idea including spikes and put it in the idea^suggestion forum

OOOO OOO IDEA
make fade half the size,give it spikes that shoot with the shotgun pattern,theres spikes back wooo woooo
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let lerks keep there teeth for christs sake


caw caw

Lerk with Bile Bomb would be funny.

yea i already mentioned that. The thread is over in I&S

All I know is back in 1.4 or whichever it was, i played solely lerk and NEVER used spikes, unless taking out a tf, and even then, I much preferred to fly in like a crazyman and bite it.
When umbra was emitted around you and stopped like 5/6 or 4/5 of the bullets.
Once I went lerk, id easily go 30/0. Fly in, umbra, chomp chomp.
Now the fly physics are weird, umbra is weird. *sigh*
And gas at my cup of tea.
Back to skulk/fade

Well, Im not used to having to aim umbra, so thats more time I have to spend looking elsewhere, like the floor.
No dive bombing looking down and spamming spacebar to keep afloat.
Just weird. I feel totally helpless as a lerk now. Compared to being demi-god back in the day. Just akward. I feel more comfortable as a skulk now, and I was never very good with Fades.

learn and adapt or face extinction. Its a pure natural selection babeh.

It amazes me how people still manage to post things that are totally unbalanced or make no sense whatsoever, especially regarding the lerk. First understand NS is both a first person shooter and a real time strategy game combined, a hybrid. As such examine the RTS portion. Lerks are the equivalent of a spellcaster. Think about all the spellcasters you've seen in RTS games. The most powerful spellcasters had not only spells, but a normal attack of some time. Not only does a lerk have a moderately powerful melee attack, it can damage enemies with an area affect spell that erodes both armor and health, but with an additional tech upgrade it can prevent 1/2 of the bullets inside an area of effect from landing. THAT is powerful. It can also evade bulletfire on it's own without a spell in the form of flying. This has tradeoffs in typical RTS fashion. One is the lower health/armor of the lerk, which is due to it's spellcasting ability (spellcasters are either physically weak/incapable of defending themselves or expensive, or some combination of both) and the fact that it can only cast so many spells in a time period (adrenaline limitation). Learn to accept limitations placed on units due to their abilities and stop whining about it. Now for the first persion shooter portion of the post. Bite is incredibly powerful compared to spikes. Ask the poor souls that regular the lunixmonster how nasty a lerk can be. I terrorize that server as a lerk on a near daily basis, and it's because of two things: bite and the flight model. Instead of complaining about how bite sux and the new model is sucky compared to the old one, learn to use it effectively. A lerk in the right hands is an early game harasser, a midgame terror, and an endgame finisher. Less crying, more adapting.

I don't understand why people are agreeing that spores can only be used for harrassment from a vent. That's totally wrong. In some games, when the marines have a phasegate/TF outpost near a hive, it's the lerk that makes the difference. Spores not only damage marines that're building, but especially in pubs, some marines will actually leave the area instead of building, simply because they're losing so much health. The comm has to medspam just to keep his marines in one place (using a ton of res), and the marines are all armor-less.

Yeah, spores sure do suck.

YAH bring back the spikes plz. Teh lerk is meant for support and only needs to chill in a vent or somewhere and spore//umbra//primal scream//shoot from a distance. Not to become a flying skulk..

yep spikes are fun (i just used spikes for the first time in a spike-enabed server)
they are surprisingly accurate and takes a surprisingly small amount of adrenaline
maybe more energy needed for each spike should be introduced to balance.

but the flying skulk idea is a nono IMO.. lerks die super fast when close especially to a shottie..even 1v1

but it is a flying skulk..with spores and umbra...