mephmage
May 14 2004, 12:12 AM
Removed because lack of realism
6john
May 14 2004, 12:15 AM
awesome concept, how about an extended clip out the bottom of the handle?
mephmage
May 14 2004, 12:23 AM
Here's for ye John Doe
Delarosa
May 14 2004, 12:28 AM
are we openly allowed to model this, or would you get mad at me for atempting?
Chrono
May 14 2004, 12:30 AM
i say clip from the side like the NS lmg
but i doubt your even reading this
mephmage
May 14 2004, 02:03 AM
| QUOTE (Delarosa @ May 13 2004, 07:28 PM) |
| are we openly allowed to model this, or would you get mad at me for atempting? |
ya, I've given up hope on salvaging you people...
Sure, model it
esuna
May 14 2004, 02:13 AM
*tip*, remove the buttstock. It is entirely useless and looks out of place. While you may consider this a defining feature, i just see it as something that can and will get in the way if you attempted to fire this pistol. Once again, as with one of your previous concepts, to fully utilise the buttstock you would have to have your arm in such an uncomfortable position that it would be nothing but a (literal) pain to use.
I know you just want to add it to make your pistol look different, but i'm sorry, it's entirely out of place.
mephmage
May 14 2004, 02:18 AM
| QUOTE (esuna @ May 13 2004, 09:13 PM) |
*tip*, remove the buttstock. It is entirely useless and looks out of place. While you may consider this a defining feature, i just see it as something that can and will get in the way if you attempted to fire this pistol. Once again, as with one of your previous concepts, to fully utilise the buttstock you would have to have your arm in such an uncomfortable position that it would be nothing but a (literal) pain to use.
I know you just want to add it to make your pistol look different, but i'm sorry, it's entirely out of place. |
Well not everyone are giants with extra-long arms like you, I have an almost identical (not the details, but the form.) stock on my air-soft gun, homemadeoutta aluminium, and it works.
Btw. Im not a midget, im a fully grown man, so...
Edit: Im off to bed, cya all, and good luck Delarosa
*ZzzZzz...*
Windelkron
May 14 2004, 02:25 AM
You must think... what will differentiate this from other pistols?
Most pistols look the same down the barrel anyway; for me, the only saving graces are interesting LAMs or neat-o vent holes. This concept has neither, I can imagine in game it'd look pretty much like a cylinder with some extra stuff thrown in around it, and then a pretty default LAM.
Not meant as a personal flame, in fact I was considering posting this as its own thread, but whatever.
I'm just trying to say modelers and concept artists will inevitably be frustrated by the inflexibility of the pistol design. There's much potential in the long-gun field; endless pistols simply get tiring unless it has something that truly sets it apart from the pack.
esuna
May 14 2004, 02:33 AM
Here's a little illustration. No the gun size isn't entirely accurate, it's just a rough sketch, if you will.
1) In this image you can get a rough idea of how far the buttstock reaches in proportion to an average sized man with an outstretched arm.
2) This image shows the position of the right arm when holding the pistol with the buttstock flush against my shoulder (No i haven't held a real gun in ages.

). I can assure you this is entirely uncomfortable for a start. But it gets worse.
3) This image shows the uncomfortable arm position as illustrated in image 2 but with the added annoyance of having to tilt my neck to an awkward angle just to view down the non-existant iron sights.
So yeah. It's uncomfortable and wholly unrealistic.
Thief
May 14 2004, 02:36 AM
no offense, but esuna my friend, you have WAY too much free time
Delarosa
May 14 2004, 02:38 AM
chunky... and i'm done... no further planned additions (note, the sights were a last minute change)
it's been Delarosa-ified... (see also: nubified)
esuna
May 14 2004, 02:39 AM
| QUOTE (-Thief- @ May 14 2004, 02:36 AM) |
| no offense, but esuna my friend, you have WAY too much free time |
It's 3:37am, what do you expect me to do.
Chrono
May 14 2004, 03:20 AM
| QUOTE (chrono5454 @ May 13 2004, 07:30 PM) |
i say clip from the side like the NS lmg but i doubt your even reading this |
i told you its like anything i post he doesnt read
seems a little too fat del
and i just realized esunas post count is at -3900
Fox_One
May 14 2004, 03:24 AM
| QUOTE (chrono5454 @ May 13 2004, 10:20 PM) |
| [QUOTE=chrono5454,May 13 2004, 07:30 PM]and i just realized esunas post count is at -3900 |
What the--?! O_o;;
esuna
May 14 2004, 03:29 AM
| QUOTE (Revolver @ May 14 2004, 03:24 AM) |
[QUOTE=chrono5454,May 13 2004, 10:20 PM] [QUOTE=chrono5454,May 13 2004, 07:30 PM]and i just realized esunas post count is at -3900 [/QUOTE] What the--?! O_o;; |
When i hit 4,000 posts i decided to post
this. NemesisZero decided it to set my postcount to -4,000 for this.

Also, i get the "Rock Bottom" custom title until i hit 0 posts again, since before i got that i had nothing in the title box.
Chrono
May 14 2004, 03:34 AM
nice one esuna
Jean_Luc_Picard
May 14 2004, 03:35 AM
0o'
Jean_Luc_Picard
May 14 2004, 03:35 AM
erm... ok... it keeps trying to have me re-post... WTH?
Jean_Luc_Picard
May 14 2004, 03:35 AM
WHAT THE HECK???
I just closed IE Explorer... and it re-opened itself and brought me here AGAIN!!!!

?
Jean_Luc_Picard
May 14 2004, 03:36 AM
YAAAAAAREGGHGHGHGHH!!!
AGAIN! STUPID COMPUTER!!!
MEH! I'm going to bed!
*kicks computer*
6john
May 14 2004, 03:37 AM
lol esuna you are a genious.
CoolCookieCooks
May 14 2004, 06:55 AM
way to go spamming jean...
woot i am one place further up as top poster
mephmage
May 14 2004, 08:16 AM
Esuna, ur a huge giant, u're a freak! lalalal.
And if you didn tknow, you can extend the stock, if you see that thing on the handle, yeah... Its not there because it looks good (which it doesnt.)
Its therebecause the extension of the barrel is in there

Edit: Here, I made a handgun especially for ye Esuna
MilitaryPolice
May 14 2004, 09:06 AM
Lmao...
Actually it does look more normal with that stock with the end addition removed.
TheUdderOne
May 14 2004, 09:48 AM
Goddamit. Another person complaining about what this gun for a _game_ would work like in real life. Its a sweet concept, if i were going to play a game for gun realism...i wouldnt have chosen NS.
Demiguise
May 14 2004, 03:08 PM
indeed
i dont think that 90+ bullets is needed to take down an onos.....
Or that it takes about 12 - 15 bullets for a skulk....
1 shot one take an gorge down with a pistol
Mintman
May 14 2004, 03:20 PM
| QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:12 AM) |
| I'd like to hear what ye guys would want |
Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple.
Burncycle
May 14 2004, 04:37 PM
You guys are a riot
mephmage
May 14 2004, 05:07 PM
| QUOTE (Mintman @ May 14 2004, 10:20 AM) |
| QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:12 AM) | | I'd like to hear what ye guys would want |
Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple.
|
Im joking? And I'm telling whats wrong and whats not, heh...
if YOU guys cant take criticism on yer criticism, well.. Then dont criticise at all.´
Spacer
May 14 2004, 05:20 PM
i'm still puzzled as to why you'd want a stock on your pistol, but whatevar
the gun itself seems a little boxy, but it aint bad

goodo boyo
mephmage
May 14 2004, 06:39 PM
| QUOTE (Spacer @ May 14 2004, 12:20 PM) |
i'm still puzzled as to why you'd want a stock on your pistol, but whatevar the gun itself seems a little boxy, but it aint bad  goodo boyo |
Well, to be realistic, would YOU like to fire an automatic pistol without a stock?
Mr_JeburtO
May 14 2004, 07:10 PM
| QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:07 PM) |
| QUOTE (Mintman @ May 14 2004, 10:20 AM) | | QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:12 AM) | | I'd like to hear what ye guys would want |
Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple.
|
Im joking? And I'm telling whats wrong and whats not, heh... if YOU guys cant take criticism on yer criticism, well.. Then dont criticise at all.´ |
hmm thats not what happened in the other thread........
mephmage
May 14 2004, 08:01 PM
| QUOTE (MR.JEBURTO @ May 14 2004, 02:10 PM) |
| QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:07 PM) | | QUOTE (Mintman @ May 14 2004, 10:20 AM) | | QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 12:12 AM) | | I'd like to hear what ye guys would want |
Why do you get all defensive every time someone offers C&C then?
If you don't want to hear it don't ask for it, it's quite simple.
|
Im joking? And I'm telling whats wrong and whats not, heh... if YOU guys cant take criticism on yer criticism, well.. Then dont criticise at all.´ |
hmm thats not what happened in the other thread........
|
I'm too tired and too mature to start an argue with yer, keep talking to yerself mate.
Btw. I just saw this toy today, with a nice Stock, Perhaps Ill use that stock..
Mr_JeburtO
May 14 2004, 08:04 PM
ah meph you make me laugh sometimes
mephmage
May 14 2004, 08:15 PM
| QUOTE (MR.JEBURTO @ May 14 2004, 03:04 PM) |
| ah meph you make me laugh sometimes |
its good that I amuse you, thats a start on yer way to maturity
btw. that stock was really boring, project ended
Fox_One
May 14 2004, 09:30 PM
| QUOTE (esuna @ May 13 2004, 10:29 PM) |
[QUOTE=Revolver,May 14 2004, 03:24 AM] [QUOTE=chrono5454,May 13 2004, 10:20 PM] [QUOTE=chrono5454,May 13 2004, 07:30 PM]and i just realized esunas post count is at -3900 [/QUOTE] What the--?! O_o;; [/QUOTE] When i hit 4,000 posts i decided to post this. NemesisZero decided it to set my postcount to -4,000 for this. 
Also, i get the "Rock Bottom" custom title until i hit 0 posts again, since before i got that i had nothing in the title box. |
Nice.
Mintman
May 15 2004, 12:48 AM
The insane are always the first to claim they are sane.
Chrono
May 15 2004, 01:06 AM
| QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 03:15 PM) |
I'm too tired and too mature to start an argue with yer, keep talking to yerself mate.
|
haha that gave me a good laugh
mephmage
May 15 2004, 10:44 AM
| QUOTE (Mintman @ May 14 2004, 07:48 PM) |
| The insane are always the first to claim they are sane. |
quite true, quite true
Icejelly
May 15 2004, 12:20 PM
[OT]i am insane.
does it mean i am sane?[Ontopic]
lookin good meph...though i agree that arguing about ingame guns being unrealistic is kinda stupid...i mean, just because a gun is poorly designed doesn't mean it can't work.
rabbity
May 15 2004, 01:51 PM
nice concept but the thingy at the back interferes with the ejection port. See, when the slide is back, the ejection port must be clear so that the case can be ejected so.. :o
BAshh
May 15 2004, 01:58 PM
not too bad. i would want a longer stock maybe. add some sights and it'll be wicked.
Oh and just an FYI thing, it's not very mature to point out that you are mature. So stop please.
Spacer
May 15 2004, 02:13 PM
| QUOTE (mephmage @ May 14 2004, 01:39 PM) |
| QUOTE (Spacer @ May 14 2004, 12:20 PM) | i'm still puzzled as to why you'd want a stock on your pistol, but whatevar the gun itself seems a little boxy, but it aint bad  goodo boyo |
Well, to be realistic, would YOU like to fire an automatic pistol without a stock? |
if i had teh leet m4d skillz0r, then yes

if this was a pistol for ns (replacing the LMG, methinks), you'd probably fire it in bursts anyway.
If you need to keep the stock, my suggestion would to make it collapsible, so if you're not going to go full auto then you can aim more easily
rabbity
May 15 2004, 02:54 PM
if you need a stock on your pistol, you'd be better of with a sub machinegun

anyway those kinda stocks kinda looks weird too me, MP7 or MP5 style slide out stocks are nicer looking
xKORExslim
May 15 2004, 04:00 PM
Now, add a bayonet, a vulcan minigun addon and a 100x scope with an even bigger bayonet since the original bayonet doesn't exceed the distance of the minigun.
Owen1
May 15 2004, 07:21 PM
| QUOTE (-=KORE=-Slim @ May 15 2004, 04:00 PM) |
| Now, add a bayonet, a vulcan minigun addon and a 100x scope with an even bigger bayonet since the original bayonet doesn't exceed the distance of the minigun. |
don't forget the rotational gas grenade launcher with iron sights, and a sling, and a bipod
mephmage
May 15 2004, 08:28 PM
| QUOTE (|Owen| @ May 15 2004, 02:21 PM) |
| QUOTE (-=KORE=-Slim @ May 15 2004, 04:00 PM) | | Now, add a bayonet, a vulcan minigun addon and a 100x scope with an even bigger bayonet since the original bayonet doesn't exceed the distance of the minigun. |
don't forget the rotational gas grenade launcher with iron sights, and a sling, and a bipod
|
what about a robot firing range on the left side of the handle and perhaps a radioactive bullets factory on the stock so you never run out of too-hazardous bullets?

edit: nevermind that I ever made the concept plz
6john
May 15 2004, 09:55 PM
you cant forget the rear firing grenade launcher, just in case someone comes up behind you. and let the trigger for that be reeeely close to the firing trigger.
Trex2
May 15 2004, 10:43 PM
Errrrrrr....?
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