Just a post to tell everybody here that these 3 official maps will probably never more be played in current official french NS league (born today). They have been rejected after a survey among 6 maps : Nancy, Agora and Lost have been drafted and will be played only because a bunch of people made a lot of noise to allow it i guess.


I'm sad. The French Ligue that was born today (today is the first day of existence) is "skilled orientated" and rejected a certain NS spirit. That will allow best clans to practise their skill in great map for it and to remain a private club without any warning from rookies (<-- that's only my personnal view).

Anyway, it's a very tragic news (even if i'm happy to start compete) and i hope you all will be vigilant in your own countries and leagues to stop this view of practising serious NS scimming.

shouldnt this be in another forum?

Strange, no eclipse / veil / tanith ?

Anyways, bast is going to have big changes (mostly balance, and having competitive play in mind...) for beta 5

btw, NSLeague is playing a lot of maps... and I certainly like that, people should just adapt to all the maps instead of whinning, I guess. If they can't come up with new strats...

I fully agree mend. They should adapt their playing style for each map, not kick some out because they don't fit in with their style of play. I think only the best clans would be able to play every map well, instead of some maps sensationally.

tragic to hear this.

Why is it so surprising? These 3 maps are the maps that are obviously not built for 6vs6 given their size/number of nodes.

But Agora got in?

They had to remove 3 maps of those 6, well they made their choices.. And imo agora is way more playable in scrims than hera for example. But that doesnt change the fact those maps are good maps for pubs, dont get that wrong.

its the french, whats so surprising....

bad Gimp work, sorry

(ssjyoda : i'm french too )

this is a funny topic. you come in here like its tragic, i really dont care, u are not all holy, so don't try and be. Some new french league with poor map judgement is big news... blah blah. this should really be locked, cause its just gonna be flaming.

I used to think flaming was done by mean ppl, now i know its just done to morons.

please ootoo let s keep this civil. 6vs6 is mostly due to logistics reasons, as it is already hard to make 6 people play dayly, i cant imagine what it will be for 8+. And mappers creativity has nothing to do with that at all.

Ah yes, another well thought out blanket statement issued by yoda inc.

[edit] i was reffering to your first 'well thought out' statement.

edgecrusher, im having a hard time tryin to figure out if thats an insult or compliment... its too early, i am a lil agressive.

To be honest, who CARES? So one little no-name league in a far-off country has decided not to play a few maps. 0.001% of the NS population will not play those maps. Oh no.

It's not like these maps are dead... or even reduced in popularity in fact. There are plenty of pubs, clans, tournaments, and leagues that use them. If some 3-day-old league has decided not to play them, so what?

Also, I agree. What is this doing in the mapping section? It has no bearing or impact on these maps, despite how important oOTOo seems to think he is.

Surprised Ayumi didn't make it...

eh? why should we really care?
I'm not french, and thusly do not give ye olde toss.

The thing is its like some mappers don't even care about the guidelines. Its 6v6 for matches. Flayra intended NS to be great for tournement play, yet Agora, Ayumi, Bast, and other monumental maps wonder why they are made fun of.

cwag... bast is the ORIGINAL ns map, the first. The one ns was created off of. NS was not originally all about tourny play, and it should never be. NS should be developed without tourny in mind...

Actually, I believe that Flayra always wanted a good balance between tournament play and public play. I don't see why he should alienate a large part of the community by disregarding it.

So ns_ayumi is fit for CAL pre season but not for the french league?! lollercoaster.

It is there opinion to exclude the maps (I my self make very bad "fun" maps) But I do feal that this is is the wrong forum so its just asking for flames. It may spark a intresting conversation in the turrment play area about why the maps were taken off. But here in this area wil jsut cause anger

cwag, i'm already working on bast in an attempt to make it better for competitive play. Changing things around engine, MS and also potentially mucking around with the location of a few places to give it a better flow and gameplay. Catch me on irc if you want to see what i'm thinking about doing.

rofflecopter? lollerskates?

when exactely did something go wrong with you guys

oh... god, i have no idea. still tryin to figure that one out.

-Well, i think a map like Ayumi, which was mapped a tad difficult for Jpers, oblige a team to develop a particular strategy tied to Ayumi to win when playing it during a scrim. This is true for all NS map, easier for some, more difficult for others.

-I think it is important to tell this news here because 1) it regards mappers before clans or leagues or whatever ; it's their maps, their hardjob and they may come here in mapping forum but not in another.


-The fact this happened in france or in planet mars is not the point and i'm always surprised when pple don't read the 1st post (especially the end paragraph). You think it will not happen in your own country ? I'm happy for you, but you could be wrong (<-- this news is only for mappers, not for scrimmers). Why do i think it could be wrong ? Because it happened here and there are no reasons it could not elsewhere ^^ This is " un precedent" (<- i don't know the word in english ; maybe it doesn't exist)

-This is an instructive news for mappers about how some clans are managing their maps to quit the scrimming scene.

-I want to precise that i was talking about a french league decision but i could have talked about some International Top Clans that would appreciate to sweep many maps too. Take care

ps : I'm VERY surprised that none blabber mouth in this post asked THE question :" Such a decision ? But omg ... [B]Why ?[/b] " instead of "Blablabla, i'm from a lost island in pacific ocean sooooo this news is not for me" or "You are talking about you, neighboor, but i only care about me" You all seem (excepted a couple) to think it's a regular decision to sweep some real maps from competitions. Not one of you seems to be choked by this way of only playing NS maps that fit 6v6 during scrims, and in my opinion XP-Cagey is wrong when he says "who want to play a 12v12 map during a 6v6 scrim ? " : you should adapt to each map, this is Natural Selection. There should not be a pub mapping world and a scrim/clan mapping word. I guess these maps' authors will think diferrently and if your map was concerned, you would also. Not a great solidarity inhere, mappers, i don't appreciate that.

edit : ortho

I guess bast was just designed to be 12v12, and seeing as most people seem to like it as it is then we shouldn't really mess with it.
If it's good enough for the CPL, its good enough for me

like i said, damn french...

im a mapper, and the information that a week old league in france has poor judgement and outs 3 maps has no relavence on me. There are many other leagues, and they play most maps cause in ns, u have to adapt to each map. Not hide from it... It has nothing to with the fact that im in the US, my hostility does, heh, but it has to with the face that this week old league is 1 out of how many...

this should really be locked