Right as the post i will wrte my tactics...

First tag em send skulks in to tag all stuff and see what they do

then every one build a rt (no res whoring unless for a hive)

if theres a dbl get it build ocs guard it untill it is safe

and 1/4 of team go gorge and build dcs (for first hive) mc (for 2nd hive) sc (third)
You can mabe switch sc and mc depends on whats you need really

and good thing is build a oc or two near some of the more tacticle rts

pin in the enemy dont let them have res but do try not to get killed becuase every time you get killed they get 2 res (which also goses for you also ie if your ocs kill people you get res so you can do a bit of resorces management

and use your skulks to keep them back attack them run off get heal etc. or xenocide is the best if you have 3 hives just keep them deprived of res thats the key

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and now misc.

only go onos to clear out a base like a seige base etc.

Use lerks they can hold rines back for a long time (spores) but remeber spores dont effect ha's

Build sc every where! (if you can afford it )

skulks are the most versatile unit use them use gorges which can also be the most powerfull

remeber onoses are more of a stormtrooper! they are not a one alien killing machine (well not all of the time) (they are good agains turrets though)

take down enemy rts if you ever see them

TEAM WORK TEAM WORK AND TEAM WORK thats is the ultimate weapon

parasite every thing

im wrists are hurting now so ill leave you to fill in the blanks ! (plus im not giveing you all my good tactics)

Hope this helps so all feel free to give me your comments i know some of this is not perfect but its late and im tierd*

yeah that works when none of the marines can aim.

Thats also pretty much nothing but common sense...

But don't go promoting DMS. If you aren't surrounded by morons, SDM can work a lot better.

go fade (or cloaked skulk) and wait in a res room near the rines base... once rines come in DONT ATTACK YET, wait for them to put down rt then wipe out rines and then rt... comm has wasted res and rines...

and early lerk and wipe out the marine start, plus intimidate them to move because everyone is getting hurt from spores (my favourite one is on eclispe... go lerk and hide in vent directly oppasite cc in marine start)

the rest im not giving out, but try these and ull c that they crpple rines!

guys dont insult ppl for putting posts like this... we eed more of these posts for the so called vets out there to show there tactic (even though nowadays everyone calls themselves a vet!)

I usually don't mind people going Fade before a Hive is up. Of course, there are some people should should never ever ever touch a Fade. They just suck, and that's all I can say. They run into squads of six shottie marines, they beat on elec'd res nodes with elec'd turret factories next to them even though they know there is a marine behind them. They attack double, heavily turret farmed, and insist on hitting the electrified TF while all of the turrets are still up (and then they get pwned because they can't blink out / do so too late) Then they go Fade AGAIN, and usually by late game they're an Onos and they STILL DIE (maybe because we have two DCs and one hive, or maybe because they're just n00bs..) These are those little 10-year-old Brazilian / Korean boys who spam the mic with their native language and ask the Commander for a "Shot. Gun. Jet-Pack. I need.. Shot. Gun. Comm!! SHOT... GUN." in broken English. They gestate and then whine at the team to drop DCs when A) the only Gorge just dropped the hive, B) There is one res node, of course that gorge's 30 res should be spent on 3 DCs.. >_> C) The hive is Sensory.

Of course, if you're a player who knows how to use a Skulk effectively and you've gotten most of your res from killing marines and not from the towers, by all means, go Fade and have at it. Anyone else? Drop a hive. Even complete n00blets can help out the team and seem "leet" by dropping all the junk the aliens need. Hell, it works for me.

I don't see why sensory chambers are up 2nd or 3rd...sensory is at it's prime early game...

What i emant by res whgoring was dont leave one guy to put up all teh rts it is good to get fades and lerks early but you also need rts

Teamwork hax cannot be over stressed. If you have two hives and your not getting whipped then getting half your team to rush at once should destroy seige outposts like paper. You may not belive it but two hives pretty much equals maxed out marines. At least on a decent pub anyway. Can i say ...BEWARE OF THE SHOTGUN RUSH... ive seen this win it for the rines when they were losing so often.

SC first is far too risky to be considered viable as it is currently. It simply does not allow aliens to retake land, if they lose the expansion hive the game is over.

Has this guy read anything? that is jsu sooo commonsense with typical dms form.... (nothing personal thought)

quoted frm person aboveme
"the only good counter to Sensory first is MT>A1."
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i guess you dont realize how quick you can get MT and armour 1

Nice tactic against completely incompetent marine teams.

Against a normal one, 4 or the 5 gorges are going to get killed at the earli game, then you wont have fades neither second hive early so you will have 3 marines or 4 spawncamping at hive and the other building rts, and then they will get pgs and shotys and you will lose ^^ gg marines, im sure they wont have play such an easy game in their lifes

Sensory doesn't help you against electrification or turret farms...

In any game, at least 2-3 marines out of 8-10 are going to be moving out ASAP at the start of the game. If the comm is even half competent, he'll realise that electrifying every single node those 2-3 rines capture outside the sensory network kill zone, which in your example, is outside MS, then what happens is that until 6 minutes, or teamwork happens on the kharaa side (2 skulks + 1 gorge), the marines have untouchable RTs.

They can tech freely to A1 / MT / HA / JP in that period of time. If you can somehow prevent ANY marines from getting out of MS, then maintaining the skulk - gorge siege at the usually 2-entrance MS until sensories are up, you can pull the containment off. But it takes at least 1 minute for gorges to gestate and build sensories to completion. How are you gonna lock marines in?

And just to add something else...

Motion tracking is not the counter to sensory chambers. Sensory chambers are the counter to motion tracking. They block all tracking in their radius.

just remember ppl. ANY chamber works. its just how to deal with it.

DMS is most know.
DSM is for that little variation.
MDS is my fave. (pure gorge rushes on small teams)
MSD is great for even worse ambushes
SDM is usually used to fix "n00bgorges" while infact its a strong tactic. Early mapcontrol.
SMD is also good for ambushes and for map control anytime. (we got hives for healing ppl)

Sensories suck. They were good when people didn't know how to counter them but now they are god awful. It's entirely too easy for marines to just get a PG in the 2nd hive and spam a million mines... and you're screwed. Absolutely nothing you can do. Aliens without 2nd hive are just waiting to die. *EVERY* *TIME*. Something needs to be done about this right now IMO.

I think if your team let the marines lock down the other hives so you couldn't get the second one is more their fault than the Sensory Chamber's.

How do you propose stopping a team of damn good shots (you'd call them aimbotters) with just skulks? Besides, it takes about 5-10 seconds for 2 marines to build a PG and you can't be everywhere at once. Once the PG is up, the hive (location) is pretty much lost. They can just put down like 5 million mines and you're screwed...

With DCs and Fades you actually have a CHANCE of breaking the lockdown...

here you are talking bout locks. But.. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THE FIRST PLACE?

you can start with DC, MC and SC and BE FINE. Jsut make sure that they do NOT lockdown both hives. Its not that hard:

DCs= push power
MC = speed to be so fast on the scene again that rines have 0 chance to take it. Go for the hiev furthest from MS to make there timelack worse.
SC = cloak and SOF and focus all 3 are VERY good 5 min upgrades. Whats a point of a rine entering a hive if YOU know he is coming? Or if HE does not know YOU are there? take him out.

serious. If you can not keep a hive clear on any upgrade I suggest to go to combat. Cause you are then worthless and need brainless shooting to improve.

Oh is it that easy? I just don't let them get into the 2nd hive! DUH! How easy! Again how do you propose doing this with just skulks vs marines you would call aimbotters?

Saltz, with Ds you can use your fades to attempt to take back the 2nd hive.. and you can at LEAST last a lot longer than with SCs.

You talk as if you can't get a fade with sc first. I don't care how magically mystically accurate a marine is, that early in the game a fade is NOT dying to lvl 0 lmgs. And if they upgrade the lmgs, the fade can get focus, and now every rine is just one blink away from death. And if enough rines are in one place that the concentrated fire would kill a fade, he would know it cause SOMEONE would get sof and tell him. It's called teamwork. Even a cloaked skulk who knows when to parasite without being seen would work wonders in letting his team know exactly where the rines are.

If you're assuming the marines have perfect "aimbotters" you can at least assume the aliens have decent team players, and a few people who know how to blink-swipe. Otherwise, your situation is just a worst case scenario, and guess what, that doesn't prove your point.

guys this aint a topic about weather to put up sc or dc or mc first... pls get bak to topic at hand...

anyways,

a assasin fade is a gud way for l8 noob fades with 2-3 hives up... get regen or cara, silence and cloaking... wait in any marine active area and wait for rine/s to walk past u... and silently take them/him out... with regen ull regenrate if u get hit without making a sound whole u are cloaked, with cara u can use metabolize, but ur cloak will dissapear, but u can hear marines coming if u listen carefully, and silence is the most important... u wouldnt belieave how helpful silence is to a skulk... if uv ever seen the sps clan ns frag movie, remember that skulk then plus X2 more kills to it... sound is ur enemys first danger sense, as it is in real life... u hear a car brakeing hard behind u, u jump around or run (its not like ur gona stand still and wait for car to come into ur sight until u react...)

now about the car above... think of it now as a skulk without silence in a group of noob marines... they are approaching hive and expect all resistence from one location, but u can pick all of them off with silence as a skulk...

all in all what have i been saying if u cant be bothered to read? fades with regen,silence and cloaking are marine killers and not rt killers... skulks with silence are marine killers too...

DC Skulks get raped harder by medspam, again no point to that. Celerity or Silence both improve the odds of killing them before any spamming, or faster than they can run over meds, dramaticly.

And MC Fades, while not having as much lasting power, are still good enough to defend a Hive or nearby nodes. And thats all they should have to do for the up to 3 minutes before the Hive goes live. Not to mention, MC lerks are pretty powerful.

Its really just a bit of a switch of balance - alot stronger in the earlygame, but a bit weaker between 3 and 6 minutes (at which point we're even again).

skulk with silence;
a) dont make any give away signs for marine and comm to listen to
b) once a marine see's that his health is going down he is a gud as dead unless he is HA... like i said before, sound is our first warning sign... take away the sign... take away the warning...
c) WTH IS COMM DOING IF HE IS FOLLOWING A MARINE INSTEAD OF A GROUP!

fades with dc's are a bit more powerful, but once again iv said this before so read my post above..

and now one more tactic...

now marines are all about tech and res right? well take one of these away and u break the bond that keeps marines from loosing... early land grabs screw marines big time... u take out there only arms lab l8 in the game, and u got weaker marines...

skulks recon. or they should.
If noone sees rines moving to a hive you failed @ point one and can better quit.

you guys know you're arguing against nadagast right?

another bit of help... (at least i am helping newbies instead of flaming... lol)

allways stay calm, dont hesitate... if ur a skulk with 10 health in a group of marines, still dont hesitate... use marines themselves as cover (especially with ff is on lol)

Nad wins. Does anyone actually get dc upgrades as a skulk? I generally would rather save res tbh.

only on insane res. or on a mission. (as in trying to take something down with DC camping)

i never get dc uppys as skulk... waste of res on something u can get infinite numbers of

wow double post... anyway simple, effective tactic to use on pub servers...

cant get ur aline team to listen? they always complaining that rines have to much tech and res? a skulk can ruin the marines team... how? by the one hive ability... parasite

if marines are slightly experienced they will try to get a hive, but only put up certain buildings in marine start... rush in as a skulk and parasite buildings that make the marines soooooo hard to kill (i.e. arms lab, ob etc) hopefull ythe fades and onos will hunt those down thinking that they are marines (it helps if u say the parasited things are camping HA to an onos... they go crazy lol), they will try to attack those first, while killing rines of course, and slowly, these structures will die because aliens dont really attack them that much to make them serious to comm (fades and onos are more important than that arms lab at the bak thats been taken down to 2 bars...)

the same thing can be done to rt's if ur in a rush to get somewhere and c marine rt... just parasite it and i gurrentee that itll be under attack or dead when u respawn...