people think it will make them godly cause they saw clanners do it. They dont understand that it wont help vs a marine who can aim. It works in a pub cause well most marines just cant aim that well.

OMG!!!! MAR!!!! HI!!!!!!!

There are plenty of games out there that take no skill and have little progression. Go play them.

It isnt fair that you have to learn to bhop to be faster!

Just make the skulks/gorges a bit faster yea

thats like saying it isnt fair that you have to learn to aim so everyone should get autoaim

Good thing the game is made so marines are team play based and aliens are for the death matchers. Otherwise you might have been right!

Where did somebody say that deathmatch games are better than teamplay games?

And whenever they come out with the next NS version, bunnyhopping should probably be in the manual because it is now a widely known feature of the game.

Sorry, I am just repeating WHAT THE DEVS SAID.

The devs aren't always right


And Keyser, nobody said DM games are better than teamplay games, but on lots of posts on these boards it's implied that because NS takes teamwork it somehow makes you a better person than people who play DM games or CS (they wrongly assume that CS takes no teamwork).

a speed buffer WTH? what happens when you get celerity plus this "speed bufer huh"? jumping from left to right would be no diffirent then bunhopping maxed out, that is if this buffer was at all of an improvmetn on the current speed for skulks

Correct... It would be exactly the same... except EVERYONE gets the speed buff... not just you. It seems as though people who know how to B-hop just simply dont want others getting the same benifits as them.

Imagine if there was a 34 button combination to gestate to onos... Would you simply call everyone who couldn't do it quick/accurately enough a newbie? No you'd say "WTH why do i have to do this stupid button combo just to gestate to onos." So... why do I have to jump around like an idiot to get the same speed boost as you?

whining... i dont see any whining other then by those who are trying to protect their tiny advantage from newbies.

I'm quite happy for others to get the speed advantage. But just because someone can't bhop doesn't give them the right to deny it from others who can.

Here's a good example: rocket jumping.
It's a widely used technique in many games, it's not documented in the manuals for those games, it gives an advantage over those who can't do it, and for the new player who sees others doing it, it can be quite difficult. Of course how do people learn to rocket jump properly? By asking others and by googling. If rocket jumping gives an undocumented advantage over other players, then shouldn't it also be removed, or made "easier"? ie. have a key binding built into the game called "rocket jump" which switches to rocket launcher, fires and jumps at the right timing.

Bunnyhopping is part of the game, Flayra has said he ain't removing it, deal with it.

That's right BOBDOLOL, skulking should require no skill at all, after all it is the first default lifeform so it's the first alien that newbies encounter. I also think light armor/lmg marines should have default aimbots to make them more newbie-friendly.
</sarcasm>

use a pistol

And samah...

I'm quite happy for others to get the speed advantage. But just because someone can bhop doesn't give them the right to deny it from others who can't.

Erm.. when did I ever say that people who can't bhop should be denied?
Putting anti-bhop code in denies everyone from doing it.
At present, there's absolutely nothing stopping anyone from learning it, so I don't see just what's being denied here.

This is the only valid argument against bunnyhopping.

The fact is that you can't learn it by yourself, ie aiming or dodging, but instead it requires a sequence of rather unnatural key strokes and mouse movements. I think if Flayra includes it in the manual or references to it sometimes in the game, then bunnyhopping will be more accepted as well as improve gameplay by giving players something more to strive for.

Then you're not doing it right.
Just do a search in the forums, there's like at least 10-20 threads on bunnyhopping, including pointers and links on how to do it properly.
I think there almost needs to be a subforum in Kharaa Strategy for bhop

wrong... If taken out a speed boost will be given to all aliens classes to make up for it. You can still jump up and down like an idiot while you run (i believe flayra had something worked out to prevent Bhopping without slowing you down ala CS), but everyone gets the speed buff.

Let me try to make this as simple as possible... group A knows how to bunny hop, group B does not. Currently Group A is the only group that gets the speed advantage. notice... group B is not getting any advantage... i believe this is where you are having difficulty understanding. Group B is slow... group A is fast.

Now... Bhopping (or just it's benefit) is taken out... a general speed buff is given to all classes. Group A AND B are both now fast... not only making the game easier to balance, but decreasing the gap of ability between group A and B.

So where does "skill" benefit you? Ambushing, building stratigy, Chamber order, When do Advanced aliens hit the field, when are hives built, what resource towers are built and held, what marine towers you kill first, and stopping marine expansion. those all require skill and in-depth knowledge of the game, so dont say that Bunnyhopping is the only thing seperating the vets from the newbies.

Its interchangable!

OMG That is sooooo weird.

<sarcasim>I mean I think we should have AUTO AIM too! I am sick of people allways fragging me </sarcasim>

There isn't a way to "shoot faster" or "Shoot Harder" by exploiting a flaw in the physics of the game.