ns_eclipse Changes: 3.0 Beta 5
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X - Removed doors in Marine Spawn
X - Aesthetic adjustments to Marine Spawn
X - Fixed clipnode issues in South Loop (invisible "ledges")
X - Additional lighting tweaks

ns_eclipse To-Do: 3.0 Beta 5
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X - Integrate pipes in Triad to surrounding geometry
X - Fix Triad particle effects (spawning at level origin currently)

Marine Spawn changes:

Awesome stuff! I can't wait to play it. (Too bad that might be a while, as my computer is borky borky.)

I like the new skylight but that backwall looks a tad empty on the right.

I always feel the Eclipse marine spawn appears a little empty because of how large it is, maybe you could work on that? I felt that 3.03 had sufficient business due to the placement of the node and the piece of wall propped up against the side, it just seems far too empty now everything is all on one side.

Anyway now to B5 nice screenshots (seem to be seeing double of the same screenshot), glad south loops is fixed, and glad to see your going to do things with the pipes.

[EDIT] Double screenshots thing edited out now [/EDIT]

bring back old marine start (1.x?)

and i love the doors so dont remove them

Hurrah!!!! no doors!!!

The doors really kill getting anything accomplished on either side too often. Aliens can't work the marine base, and often marines can get "towered" into their base, to use the parlance of warcraft 3 players. Additionally, your element of suprise is blown.
The doors are good asthetically, but gameplay-wise, they cause more problems than they're worth.

noooo.. i liked the doors well they were little slow but..

i agree with elven on the doors. and i think the MS really needed that bit of extra flair. it was really hurtin.

and yes... please work on the pipes in triad. they look out of place, but certainly a welcome addition.

:edit: the skylight in MS looks a bit strange on the floor. it looks as if the two windows nearest the entrance allow more light through than the two in back. probably just the used textures, but it still looks strange.

you does it right KungFuSquirrel, there is no point with the doors, remove them damn. And well, are you really pepsi-powered? u work so hard man..

KFS have you changed your rad parameters or upped the brightness of some lights? Because from beta 4, in both eclipse and veil i've noticed the lighting looks brighter and more washed out, before i thought the lighting was perfect because in places it looked dark without actually making it hard to see... now it appears everything is well lit.

Looking better KFS, I will be looking forward to seeing the final product for Beta 5...and DOOR BEGoNe!

Looking great! I think you made the right decision about the doors, they were a nightmare for alien base assaults.

Sweet merciful jesus the doors have gone! Rejoice.

Coblet is pleased . Glad you've tweaked the lighting (I hope tweaked in the sense of darkened), as I thought it was getting a tad fullbright

Oh man, good job man ! Can't wait to play it

Yeah, No more doors, bye bye xploits ^^

Hey, good job squirrel, i like the ms ^^

Keep on

Looks good.

The area under the skylight on the north side of the room looks like its begging for a hera-style huge monitor.

Noooooo to the welder idea.

Give a marine a welder and he'll weld any weldable on the map regardless of what it does... if you could set up a weld point that formatted their hard-drive, and put a big sign above it saying "WARNING : Welding this will format your hard drive !" people would still weld it every damn game.

If doors must be used, then how about putting them a little further out... say on the corner leading to Station Access Alpha... or at the bottom of SAA... one thing I don't like about Eclipse is how unsafe half the nodes on the map feel when placed as an alien. Horseshoe, SAA and to a lesser extent Triad always feel a bit of a waste to put up to me, as they're only a short trip from the marine base. Power Subjuction has a similar feeling due to being so close to SAA.

But that's probably just me.

a decent alien team only needs 3 or 4 rt's to win a game. take out the ones u mentioned, and u got cc, main, sl, and ec. Plenty to win. If you can't make kills to account for less rt's, then there is no point anyway.. heh

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Those doors were a nightmare for 56kers, they seemed so slow and laggy

But i agree those skylights look very nice indeedy, nice work KFS

Yes, my one problem is the brightness of the revised eclipse hive. If you ask me, more orange spot lights and fog, less bright.

Why not have a blue scrolling texture on the pipes in Triad. So it will look like stuff is flowing thru them into those big blue things on both sides of the node.

You know, that's a good thought - I'd been approaching other ideas for integrating them, but I could have some fun with that, I bet. I'll see what I can do.

It would be really neat to see and it would also kinda show that the building they are in is still running

i like the ideas of moving the doors a lil farther out of ms. I dont know y, but i like the doors, and moving them out may be easier for aliens to bust the base, as the doors wouldn't open them into open fire.

Yeah, I dont really mind the idea of having the doors moved back a little.

But that still does give the aliens cover right outside of the marine base. Like if marines are shooting grenades at towers that are right behind the door, and the door closes, that gives the aliens some time to heal the towers and get them back to full health.

weldeable things in MS???
put it default if thats the idea

OT:LET THE DOORS!

The doors being moved back will still keep the problem of marines being locked down in an area, I'm starting to think after playing eclipse lately that the doors are ready to be prart of NS History, although leaving one as nostalgia would be nice

Well if you're really aiming for nostalgia , make the ready room the old marine start from 1.04. It would bring back memories and add a nice touch

The raised archetecture opposite the CC serves no purpose, and right now the only things making use of the excessive space are spamming lerks.

The 1.x MS was fine.

the 1.x marine start was tiny, cramped, and dark, not to mention that the "inner" half of it was difficult to work with as comm. Sometimes I wish people could go back and PLAY 1.04 for a little bit to remember all the crap that we put up with then. The game is much much better now, as are the maps.

That said I agree this new marine spawn is a little on the big side. It seems to work well though. My only problem at the moment is that a single spam happy lerk changes that weld point from an option to a necessity.

I like the idea of the doors being used in the readyroom....... seems like easter egg fodder to me actually.

KFS can you/did you explain your reasoning for those new pipes in triad? I don't really understand what they're supposed to accomplish and would like to know.

I think the horseshoe ceiling window would do better if there weren't any "ceiling slopes" on the sides, and if it was just one, slightly bigger, window, above the crossways(if you count the vent).
It would be nice with some stronger light, like in the marine spawn, too.

new marine start is better than the old marine start.


However, the marine start is a tad big, considering how little it is all used.

I really like how there are two exits from marine start, but the oppisite elevated side does seem a bit redudant. Perhaps you could take that area and make it something else, like instead of an elevated path, you could turn it into a sunken area or something, or a giant computer, or something which gives is it a tid bit more purpose to the room.

Yeah making that elevated part a bit more useful would be good, because its kinda out of place right now, has no purpose, mabye even add a door to that side but make it locked.

Would it be too much to ask for an overhead shot of the whole map?

Shouldn't there be one somewhere in ur nsp folder? mabye under overviews?....

The haze brightens the hives and makes them look less contrasted. I think it spoils their aesthetics to a certain extent.