Hi!

I'm working on ns_attila a lot. I've done a lot of brushwork especially pipes. As i expected i exceeded the limit of clip nodes.(I've done the 70-75% of the map)

I thought it's oaky, lets use clip brushes to cover the pipes and use func_illusionaries. The ZHLT guide advises the same. BUT it doesnt work too efficient... I've covered all the stairs, all the pipes but it's not enought...

When i run hlbsp at the end it counts something. I think when it goes over 10.000(in one of the 4 hulls) it causes this problem. But 90 minutes of clipping reduced it only by 300(but i covered a lot, really)...

Isn't there a solution like Max_Patches (setting vismatrix to -sparse)??

I dont want to give up my fancy pipeworks.....

You can not raise the maximum amount of clipnodes the engine can handle, I'm afraid. That part is hard coded. The only thing you can do is clipbrush is and hope your leaves don't get maxed out as these will increase when using clipnodes.

Or fake the pipes by burrying them 50% into walls


lemme see if I can find a screenshot of it...

Here we go :




This way you could make it look good and save a lot on clipnodes, even I use clipbrusing on these pipes to save even more clipnodes. Just one more question, how much sides do your pipes have? As you can see these pipes of mine are build out of 4 sides when used at 50% visibility

I used hlbsp -maxnodesize 4096 (=max ; 1024 or even 512 is default) to reduce additional cuts and clipnodes in my outdoormaps, but I guess it won't help much for ns-maps since you don't have many long, straight surfaces and thus clipnodes anyway.
Should give it a try though

As Kouji said, simplify your brushwork where it doesn't matter to the player, use less entities, if you can afford the additional wpolies due to the cuts caused by world brushes.

Well i have "half pipes in most cases, and they are 4 sided too:(

I try replacing stairs with ladders and smooth floor... But i'm sure, that i have to redesign a lot.... thx anyway.

Check your map thread, I likely have the solution.