Prologue

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It is a nice sunny day in the open fields of South Dakota, for around there, there are many different landscapes, and few signs of civilization making its mark. Since the population boom of 2050, humanity has move across the solar system, colonizing every bare part that it people can survive in. Fortunately, the government preserves South Dakota since 2010, to ensure that people can still revere and see the vast landscape of the past, from the clutter electronic world of modern society. It is here, where Petco, a security guard, sits on the helm of an old-fashion trailer, leading several trailers while being bore out of his mind.

Petco stares at the flat road beyond him before looking back at Thansal in the passenger seat. In these days, Petco sports a traditional blue-collar shirt with the words “Circus Security” across his chest, and a pair of black slacks. He also wears a simple black baseball cap with the same words. Thansal, on the other hand, wears a simple black sleeveless shirt as he is flipping the paper map back and forth in search of directions. “Are we there yet? How far until we hit Rockyford?”

Thansal takes a few more moments looking at the map before he looks at Petco. “How am I supposed to know? There’s no sign of where we’re at except this long dusty old road. Just follow it the road and we’ll get there. Stop asking for the fifth time.”

Petco looks back out at the road again. “Just asking.” After a few more moments, he asks Thansal, “When you join the circus, did you expect it to be this way?”

Thansal raises an eyebrow as he neatly folds the map. “What do you mean?”

“I mean that did you expect to be part of history or entertain people? I expected to, for I wanted to be an actor. Instead, I got this lousy job of security. It’s not even security, since the all-mighty Daisoon refuses to issue out guns. We’re only there for show, for he relies too much on his oh-so-high tech security system.” Petco shakes his head. “I’ve looked at it before; it’s not so high tech. There’s still some loopholes, but no, all I get to do is stand and be menacing and hope to God nothing happens.”

Thansal replies, “Well, I only applied because nobody else would accept me.” He grins for a moment. “I’ll admit, I do enjoy parts of it, and I’ll have it no other way. For you, maybe go talk to Daisoon. You’ve been here for a long time, so I bet you can ask for an acting part. If anything, you can ask for a gun. I know he keeps a gun to himself, and you’ve been here long enough for him to trust you.”

Petco mutters as he stares out at the long dusty road. “Maybe. But he’s stubborn like that, wanting control over every aspect, and including who gets what job. Sometimes I think there needs to be an incident for him to understand how little he really controls.”

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An hour later, the group of trailers arrives at small town of Rockyford. Immediately Imma Daisoon, the circus manager, waves frantically at all the people to get the circus set up. Though monstrous in size, Imma seems to have the energy of an athlete, able to move from one trailer to the other to make sure everything is in place and ready for the show tonight. He pushes everyone around, saying the same thing, “Hurry hurry, we must have this set up by nightfall!”

At one of the trailers, Eternaly_lost dons on his costume, which is an outfit of a turquoise robe and a small computer pad-like phone. Ana is next to Eternaly_lost, sitting on a computer chair as she is working on a nearby computer, listening into a computer headset. Ana nods to Eternaly_lost as he plays around with the small pad, pressing and typing different buttons. Then Ana takes off the headset, places it next to the computer, and then the computer chair zooms off with Ana to another direction, swerving as it barely misses Isamil, who is teasing the monkey below by holding a banana out of its reach. Isamil chuckles loudly as the monkey chatter irritatingly, trying to get the banana.

“Isamil, give the banana to Soul Rider. Nobody’s going to like a burnt clown in the show.” Xentor shakes his head at Isamil as he flicks his lighter, making sure it still works. After it produces a flame, he looks at Isamil. “Or maybe you’ll like a foretaste right now,” Xentor threatens.

Isamil hold his hands up non-threateningly as he drops the banana. Soul Rider quickly picks it up, and kicks Isamil at the shins before leaving with his prize. Xentor shakes his head, “You gotta pick up another hobby than tease that monkey. You know how Daisoon hates to see his monkeys treated badly.”

Isamil shrugs off the kick as he drops his hands. “Yeah, I know. But everyone’s got to loosen up a bit. If you ask me, people need to laugh more around here. After all, that’s what my job is all about.”

Xentor shrugs, as he watches the two security guards, Petco and Nightstalker, and the ringmaster pass by, talking animatedly to Imma Daisoon. “Yeah, yeah. But if you ask me, there’s not much to talk about with the war going on. I think we need to change our act sooner or later. Hopefully sooner.”

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Petco cries out, “What do you mean, no?”

Imma Daisoon looks at Petco and Nightstalker tiredly. “That’s what I said. We cannot afford guns to run amok around this place. Your batons should be ample enough for security. Look around this place. We’re out in the open at a town of a population of 8. If you need guns to defend this place, then you need another job.” With that, Imma turns his back against his security force to look at the ringmaster. “Now, what did you want Faskalia?”

As Faskalia starts talking about the details of tonight’s show, Nightstalker interrupts by saying, “You forget that not everything can be caught with today’s technology. You assume that your high-tech security device will catch people who are stealing stuff here. But they might just take something and not go out. After all, your devices only check the perimeter.”

Imma sighs and looks at Nightstalker and Petco. “Then it’ll be useless, eh? They can’t take it out of the circus, since it’ll trip the alarms. They can’t stay, since after the show we’ll pack up and spot them. If something does go missing, it’ll be up to you two to find it. That’s what I hired you two for. Now go help others setup before I think hiring you two is a mistake.” With that, Imma walks away with Faskalia, while the two guards stay behind. “Sorry, what did you want, Faskalia?”

Faskalia says, while walking with Imma, “Look at this. There’s a storm coming over here in the next few days. It shouldn’t affect sales much. Also, we should change the title to this here to…”

As Faskalia and Imma go out of earshot, Nightstalker turns to Petco. “What’ll we do now?”

Petco shrugs his shoulders. “We have this argument every time we switch sites. Eventually he’ll cave in and issue us guns. He hasn’t fired us yet.”

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That evening, the small town of a population of 8 is lit up by circus lights and signs. People all over the world come to the circus by busloads, as the busses park at a nearby empty spot. Petco and Nightstalker direct the traffic with their orange light sticks, and their hover boots as some of the more ambitious drivers try to break through the traffic by hovering in search of a close parking space.

For those who try to get a free show by hovering their vehicle above the circus will be disappointed. The circus is surrounded by a soft yet opaque white bubble covering, with one opening at the entrance. On side of the bubble, the words “Imma Daisoon’s circus presents: The last stand to victory: the TSA/Kharra encounter! A night that changes history forever!”

And the sign is right. Tonight is a night that will change the circus’s history forever.

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Wolf roles have been passed out. They have until 7pm PST tomorrow (Thursday) to choose a special trait. Then the human roles will be passed out.

Current players:
1. Eternaly_Lost [Magician]
2. Soul Rider [Trained Monkey]
3. Im lost [Tightrope walker]
4. Xentor [Fire breather]
5. Nightstalker [Security]
6. Faskalia [RingMaster]
7. Thansal [Strong man]
8. doomchica [Small Booth Vendor]
9. Kassinger [Giftshop Vendor]
10. Petco [Security]
11. Isamil [Clown]
12. Ana [Blind Costume Designer]

Map of the place:


Because some people ask, here is the actual image:

Due to a new player, we have restarted the round. Wolf roles are passed out right now. They have until Friday, 7pm PST to decide which trait to choose. Keep in mind that there are 3 starting wolves now, not 2.

Human roles will be passed out at Friday.

Also, someone asked me this question which I feel I need to tell everyone.


Current players:
1. Eternaly_Lost [Magician]
2. Soul Rider [Trained Monkey]
3. Im lost [Tightrope walker]
4. Xentor [Fire breather]
5. Nightstalker [Security]
6. Faskalia [RingMaster]
7. Thansal [Strong man]
8. doomchica [Small Booth Vendor]
9. Kassinger [Giftshop Vendor]
10. Petco [Security]
11. Isamil [Clown]
12. Ana [Blind Costume Designer]
13. TheFeniX [Security]

Something has occurred and I have to tend to it immediately. Expect Night 1 to be late.

Night 1

“Welcome, welcome all to Daisoon circus! Come right up, get your tickets here! That’s right, come and enjoy the sights!”

Imma Daisoon heartily laughs as he joyfully waves the crowd of people towards the manager trailer, where there is a break in the bubbling. This field is truly a technology advancement to secure a parameter. It allows people inside to see out, yet block from people to see inside for weakness in defenses. It is said that the field can shock a person non-lethally, similar to the old fashion tazer, allowing the security forces to easily secure a breach. Imma was wise to employ it as part of the security for the circus, with its two twin generators located on each side of the manager trailer.

Kassinger sits at the booth, substituting the ticketmaster who is ill at the moment. He happily sells them while his counterpart, Faskalia , silently collects the tickets from the customers. He occasionally nods to them with a brief smile.

A half hour later, Petco and Nightstalker arrive by gliding down to the earth, nodding to Imma as Petco reports, “That’s the last of them. They’re all ready for the show.”

Imma nods, gestures to Faskalia . “Let’s get going then. Can’t keep them waiting.” He starts going in with Faskalia when suddenly he snaps his fingers and turn to Kassinger , saying, “Kassinger , go fetch TheFenix and send him up here.”

Nightstalker raises an eyebrow as Kassinger disappears in a flash. “TheFenix ? Who’s he?”

“He’s working for security. I just hired him tonight, so start teaching him what to do around here. He’ll be here for a while.” With that, Imma goes in with Faskalia .

Nightstalker stares at the back of Imma for a moment, before looking back at Petco . “Just hired huh? Did we push too far?”

Petco slowly nods, staring at the entrance. “Well, that’s new. I don’t know what to make of it.”

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The crowds mutter and whisper in excitement as the main tent gets filled up with people. Kids and parents are pointing everywhere at the pictures of TSA marines and aliens, props, the cage, and the wire high above the tent. People from all ages have entered into the tent, some more fanatic than others. While some people dress for the weather, others have gone all out in their costume, sporting a helmet that has a tiny red laser on the side. Others have tried to imitate the shape of the aliens, making claws out of paper, or wings on their arms. Some were better than others, particular on one part of the tent, where a lerk, a flying critter, and a fade, a claw-like creature, sat patiently waiting for the show to start. A few people point to them, wondering how they manage to get such good detail in their costume.

Suddenly, the lights dim down, as one spotlight turns on, focusing on a person walking into the middle of the tent. The hubbub quickly dies down.

“Ladies and Gentlemen! Boys, and Girls! And any aliens who are out there. Welcome to Imma Daisoon’s circus, where tonight we have a special treat.” Faskalia grins as parts of the stage behind flashes up with bright colors. “Tonight, we celebrate the night, where the heroic TSA marines of our time,” He outstretch his right arm as a banner unrolls itself above him, showing several valiant marines saluting, “went against the evils,” Faskalia stretches his other arm, with another banner unrolling to show pictures of aliens, comically yet evilly drooling as they peer over to the other banner, “and rightfully won!” Faskalia puts his two hands together making a clapping noise which set the alien banner on fire, quickly devouring in a few seconds. Faskalia then bows to the audience. “Stay tune as we reenact the story of those brave marines. Enjoy the show.”

The marine banner quickly rolls up as spotlight on Faskalia fades. Another spotlight turns on, showing another figure in a turquoise robe. He strolls forward to the center saying in a booming voice, “In the beginning, there was man. Then there was space. After man explores the galaxy, he found something good. He found … nanites.” The music turns on as Eternaly_lost starts waving his arms, producing several marine weapons with a puff of magic.

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Nearby, Ana and Im_lost are high above the crowd, watching passively at Eternaly_lost , doing his skit. Ana sits there in front of a controller, listening intently as Im_lost fiddles with his costume helmet. “How soon is it before my turn to act?”

Ana tilts her head sideways as she listens to the crowd erupt with oohs and aahs. “Imma said after Eternaly_lost finishes, and Isamil comes out, and Soul Rider soon afterwards, and then Xentor . You’ll be walking to the middle in competition of Soul Rider on another wire after Xentor leaves. Then after that Eternaly_lost will be back with Isamil and Thansal as they do their skit, with a quick appearance of you up here…” She pauses as she hears several explosions of magic coming below. She puts her hands on the controllers as she twist a knob, which unrolls a nearby banner. “…and then after that Soul Rider comes out to do a quick finale.”

Im_lost shakes his head as he picks up his rifle-like pole to help him balance on the wire. “I don’t know how can remember everyone’s part so well. Must be what was traded for being born blind.” He quick adds, “No offense, Ana .”

Ana briefly smiles to Im_lost “None taken.”

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“So explain to me what we have to do again?”

Petco rolls his eyes as Nightstalker explains for the third time, “We stand here for the rest of the show to prevent people from sneaking in without a ticket.”

TheFenix scratches his head. “Don’t we need to patrol or something? Make sure they don’t sneak in from another entrance?”

Petco shakes his head, as he pats at the control station next to him. “They can’t with this grid online. It’ll prevent anyone from seeing, or getting inside expect through here. Look, I know the job isn’t what you expect originally. Same thing happen to me.”

“Don’t we can guns, or something? It feels silly to just stand around and say ‘halt’ without anything to back it up.”

Petco and Nightstalker both look at each other briefly. After a few moments, Petco says, “Eventually, you’ll be issued a gun. Look, the crowd isn’t big tonight, so let me show you around the place. That’ll way, you’ll get familiar with what’s suppose to be here and what isn’t. Nightstalker , can you handle here by yourself?”

Nightstalker nods, glad to avoid talking about the issue, and secretly glad that he can take control of the station that generates the shield. Petco usually never lets him use it. “Sure thing, boss.”

“Thanks. TheFenix , come on.” He gestures TheFenix to follow as he walks towards the big tent. “That’s where the main event is. This time around, we’re doing a reenactment of some big battle that occurs several years ago.” TheFenix peers inside the big tent, seeing Eternaly_lost waving his arms in his magic act, producing what seems to be first-aid kits in front of Isamil who is dancing away from Soul Rider , who is poorly dressed as a small alien critter. Soul Rider seems to latch on Isamil for a moment before Isamil beats him back, while stepping over all the first-aid kits. Soon, Xentor comes out and flicks his lighter, blowing into it as he produces a ball of flame that engulfs Soul Rider . At least, it looks like that, as TheFenix sees from this angle that Soul Rider escapes with a conceal trap door nearby. Nevertheless, the act seems good enough for the audience to erupt with applause.

Petco comments, “If you want to see the whole show, next week we’ll be in over at Chicago, where Imma won’t need us guarding. You can watch it then.” He tugs TheFenix as they walk over to another set of buildings. “Here is where the crowd will exit, and hopefully spend some money over gifts, games, anything that’ll amuse them. And over here…” He points to a smaller tent and motions TheFenix over as he opens the flap to let both of them inside.

“Here’s another place of curiousities. Actually, now that we have 3 people guarding, I can place you and Nightstalker here.” TheFenix actually gasps at the room fill with glass cases. Within each case, there is some evidence of alien origin. Some of it is seems common, such as toenails from a small critter called skulks, or bones from the monstrous alien called onos. Within the collection, there are some rare items, such as a collection of lerk spikes, and an actual builder called a gorge, mummified. TheFenix turns to Petco . “Imma expects us to guard here without any weapons?”

Petco nods solemnly. “Don’t think there’s no security here. The glass is outline with fiber optics which is tied to the system you saw in the front. If anyone opens the cases, it’ll trigger the alarm.” Nearby, the crowd cheers. Petco glances toward the direction. “It sounds like they’re almost ready to come out. Stay here; I’ll get Nightstalker to join you. This’ll be a good place to start for your first night.”

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Thansal stands on stage, hoisting a big contraption of a gun (one might say the gun is called Sasha), with a picture of a monstrous alien building banner behind him. Along with him are Eternaly_lost , Isamil and Xentor . Crowd applauses loudly as Xentor takes a stick with a ball of fire into his mouth, only to open it and blow in front of people. Likewise, Eternaly_lost continues with his creation magic, conjuring items left and right. Isamil runs around towards the audience as he happily goes to the nearby children, tossing assortments of candy to them. As the banner with the alien structure rolls up, Im_lost , Eternaly_lost , Isamil , Xentor , and Faskalia all come on stage to take a bow, with the audience thundering with applause to them.

After the show, the audience went out to the shops to look at the museum of curious alien objects, or try out some of the games they have set up. Doomchica happily accepts them, letting them try games such as pin the skulk, or hit the lerk. On the other side, Nightstalker and TheFenix stand at the entrance of the museum, looking slightly bored. In the middle, which draws a bit of a crowd, is Thansal , where he stands next to a machine, letting several people try out to see how much strength they can pull enough to hold the gun he uses in the play.

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After all the hustling and bustling, the circus finally draws into a close. As the customer slowly move out of the circus, and the busses pull away from the circus, life became more normal for them… for the most part.

TheFenix yawns as he looks inside the museum. Though he is not in duty anymore, he has to admit that this place as the best attract from circus. He glances each article one by one as he passes by, until he glances at the lerk spikes. He looks puzzled for a moment, and then frowns. He rubs his eyes for a moment, and looks again. There is no denying it: the lerk spikes are gone. He quickly went off to tell the others.

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Imma furrows his eyebrows, with Petco and Nightstalker behind him. Imma immediately order a thorough search of the area, while Petco stood at the entrance of the field. “Whoever took the spikes didn’t trigger the glass, nor gone out through here, or else we’ll detect them immediately.”

Petco nods, glancing at the scanner, which check for any alien debris, located at the entrance. “We’ll find the him. The area isn’t a big place, and he can’t hide forever.”

“Good. I’ll go and join the hunt. Make sure someone mans this post. Close the field if you have to if someone tries to escape. We’ll deal with the consequences later.” With that Imma goes off into another direction, to help with the search.

“Told you so.” Petco raises an eyebrow as he glances at Nightstalker . “What did you say?”

Nightstalker grunts, taking a bite from his sandwich. “I told him so. Remember our discussion earlier? Seems like it’s true. Someone who has been with us for a long time knows the weakness of the system. Proof of concept that security needs to be better.”

Petco eyes Nightstalker suspiciously. “Did you take the spikes?”

Nightstalker chuckles, taking another bite from his sandwich. “Me? No. I’m not going to try to steal something just to get security better. I’ll lose my job. I bet after this whole thing is over it was just a prank. It’s a win-win situation: spikes are found and we get better security, which means we get guns.”

Petco nods as he glances down at the controls. “I hope you are right. But something tells me that it isn’t as simple as a prank.”

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Search for the missing lerk spikes! This is not the only thing you'll be searching, but it is the current search this night. All the red boxes are places that you can search. The green boxes are also rooms, but it is easier to see the difference since several names are duplicated.

Rooms:
1 - Manager Trailer
2 - Circus Trailers
3 - Circus
4 - Museum
5 - Gift shop/Vendors
6 - Houses (red)
7 - Houses (green)
8 - Community Center
9 - Fields (red)
10 - Fields (green)

There are 10 rooms, 7 clues total, 2 clues with movable parts. You need at least 6 clues to figure out the answer, and it is possible to guess with 5 clues. Every night, you're allowed one guess, and I choose the first one (bold the answer or it doesn't count). There is no second guess. Everyone will be informed if someone got the right answer. To help you start, I am looking for a 6 digit number.

There are also 6 items distribute among these 10 rooms.

As of right now, all rooms are connected to the road, which means all rooms are connected to the other rooms. As the game develops, this may change (hinthint, there will be a time when several rooms are inaccessible from other rooms).

One more note: it is impossible to have two clues in one room. It is possible to have more than one item in a room though.

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Human roles have been passed out. Check your PM box for more information. Guardian/seer, please PM your choice. Psychic, you'll get your PM shortly. Wolves do not get to choose a kill tonight. All human roles are active. Everyone else, PM your starting rooms to me.

Because of confusion, and apparently miscommunication, this night will end Saturday, 8pm PST.

** EDIT: In case of more confusion, clues and items will be handed at the end of the night.

..... oh and Eternaly_lost's pic.... which has no bearing of the game whatsoever.
http://img146.imageshack.us/my.php?image=townpb0.jpg

(Day 1) Morning, August 10th, 700 hours.

That night was uneventful. The whole troop went through the circus with a fine-tooth comb, and the spikes were not found. After several hours, Imma gave the okay to allow people to go through the protection shield, but he opt to keep the generator and kept the security on guard at the entrance.

Xentor , Thansal , and Faskalia took the opportunity to go out to the nearby town to find something interesting to do in the small town. Unfortunately, all they had was a community center, several fields of crop, and a few houses. In the end, they decide to go into a nearby gym just to explore around.

As they settle into a nearby shop to get a bite to eat, Xentor asks, “So what do you think is going to happen? Is Imma ever going to find it? Are we going to stay here for a while?”

Thansal shrugs, taking a huge bite into his sandwich. Faskalia , on the other hand, replies back, “Well, if we find it we can be on the road right now. But as it is, I doubt he’s going to move out for the moment. There’s a huge storm coming this way, and if we don’t move soon, we’re stuck here until the storm passes. Hopefully it’ll just be a couple of days. Maybe enough time to find the person who stole the spikes.”

Thansal looks at the other two. “Who wants to steal the spikes anyway? Unless you’re some sort of alien collector freak.”

Faskalia shakes his head. “Those had some sentimental value to Imma . He used to be part of the TSA troop a few years back when the aliens invaded the station he was deployed at. He was one of the few survivors from that incident, and he kept the spikes to remember the incident. It’s kind of why he’s adverse towards having security done by people – something happened there that changes his opinion. Though you should go ask him, I’m not one to spread rumors, or stories about our boss.”

On a nearby table, TheFenix and Petco raise their eyebrow as they listen into the conversation. TheFenix turns to Petco and asks, “Is that why our job is to stand there and look pretty?”

Petco sighs a little and says, “Essentially, but hopefully this incident will kick him back to his senses. But let’s not talk about that, we’re here to rest, not to spread rumors about it.”

TheFenix nods outwardly, but notices that both Faskalia and Petco refuse to talk anymore about the incident. He makes a mental note to talk to Imma later.

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Nightstalker and Ana are at the manager trailer, working on the twin generators. Ana frowns as she fiddles with the controllers, while listening to through a headset that is plugged into the computer. After pressing a few buttons here and there, Ana shakes her head and takes off the headset.

Nightstalker looks at Ana . “So?”

“It’ll hold a few hours, maybe even to the night. But the generators aren’t meant to last this long. At best, it’ll hold out to the morning. At worst, they’ll blow out then someone needs to repair them. Now can I get out of here? I need to fix Eternaly_lost’s costume.”

Nightstalker nods to Ana . “Sure thing. I better report this to Imma …” His voice trails off as he spots someone staggering in the distance. Ana perks up her ears as her seat rotates around so that she’s facing that direction.

The figure makes a gurgling sound as it moves slowly towards Ana and Nightstalker . It raises its hand towards them for a moment before the figure collapses. It tries to pick itself up, but then it gasps and falls down in a thud.

Immediately Ana arrives to the figure’s aid, having her seat move her across with celerity. She tries to pick the figure up, but found the weight to be too heavy. Nightstalker arrives, gasping slightly as he recognizes the figure to be their boss (Imma). On the side of the neck were two lerk spikes impale into the skin. A small trickle of blood slowly falls out of the wound from.

“Medic! Medic! Get a doctor over here!”

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There are 13 players remaining. Instanlynch is at 7.
1. Eternaly_Lost [Magician]
2. Soul Rider [Trained Monkey]
3. im lost [Tightrope walker]
4. Xentor [Fire breather]
5. Nightstalker [Security]
6. Faskalia [RingMaster]
7. Thansal [Strong man]
8. doomchica [Small Booth Vendor]
9. Kassinger [Giftshop Vendor]
10. Petco [Security]
11. Isamil [Clown]
12. Ana [Blind Costume Designer]
13. TheFeniX [Security]

Day 1 will end Monday, 8pm PST.

I should note a few players did NOT send me a PM of their room choice. These players automatically goes into the circus room, and do not search for a clue or item.

Well, we can't break tradition, so I'll start the game off with a random vote for Ana.

Since there are two people new to playing on this forum (and since it's been a couple months since our last game here), I think it's a good idea to preemptively emphasize this: Don't edit your posts.

I'm voting for Xentor so im_lost can't vote first. Also his name is suspicious(bad people often have names starting with X).


(not an edit) AT THE TIME OF THE ABOVE WRITING IM_LOST HAD NOT POSTED. Logically, this is the real first vote.

I vote for Nightstalker, I don't trust a Nightstalker as a security person(random vote).

I'll throw a vote at Eternaly_Lost because you just can't trust a magician.... and he's the only guy I know well enough to off on the first night.

[b]Petco[b/]. Cause if security cannot trust security, then how can WE trust security?

What is going on? I have been in the IRC channel since 4pm (bst) yesterday until 8am today (That's 8am-midnight for you PST players) and the sum total of the chat in the room?

[16:25] <SoulRider> hello
[22:53] <SoulRider> hello?
[22:53] <im_lost> hi
[22:53] <SoulRider> how's it going?
[08:31] <SoulRider> hello

That really doesn't help me work out who to vote for does it?

Petco. Cause if security cannot trust security, then how can WE trust security?

Not and Edit: Hmpf, stupid bolding

Soul Rider, all I saw of you in chat today was



Those times are PST. Basically, you weren't in the channel all of that time. Still, you didn't miss anything of much significance, at least from my perspective.

I never got your reply, and apparently i am still in IRC, but yours says i have left.

Damn...

Will rejoin..

Ok, I gotta get back into the habit of checking this and the IRC channel again... After so long a break between games, well, you guys get the idea...

Anyway, I'll just return [b]Isamil[b]'s vote for now... It's 4am, and I don't know why the hell I'm still awake... *passes out*

For the sake of randomly picking someone without a vote, i'll pick im_lost.

Current Vote Tally

Ana - im_lost
Xentor - Isamil
Nightstalker - Petco
Eternaly_lost - TheFeniX
Petco - Faskalia
im_lost - Soulrider

Yet to vote:

Eternaly_lost
Xentor
NightStalker
Thansal
doomchica
Kassinger
Ana

Randonly voting for someone who does not yet have a vote yield me a vote for Thansal.


Ana - ( 1 ) im_lost
Xentor - ( 1 ) Isamil
Nightstalker - ( 1 ) Petco
Eternaly_lost- ( 1 ) TheFeniX
Petco - ( 1 ) Faskalia
im_lost - ( 1 ) Soulrider
Thansal - ( 1 ) Eternaly_Lost

mkay, wasn't around yesterday (one night of Fire!) and not going to be around much today (being a geek).


doomchica has no votes.

Totaly NOT an edit

people, don't forget to either preview your posts or double check them, 2 people have tried to vote but have not so far.

Well, it's the first day and there really isn't much to talk about. No clues, no leads, not much.

Spread out votes are not productive.

Eternaly_Lost is our next act! Start acting.

(vote may or may not change)

There's always some form of clue, even on the first day. We should talk about anything seemingly coherent to the game. Besides, how is one random person getting "wolfed" tonight going to tell us anymore than we already know anyways?

If anything, we could try a deduce where everyone is located and if they've found anything (probably not what they found though). As humans outnumber wolves almost 3 to 1, we can cover a lot more ground to verify if anyone is lying.

I'm just throwing this out there to get people talking. If it's a bad idea, let me know. I've just kind of deduced that the more information that's out in the open, generally helps humans more than the wolves.

Tally:

Ana - im_lost
Nightstalker - Petco
Eternaly_lost(2) - TheFeniX Isamil
Petco - Faskalia
im_lost - Soulrider
doomchica- Thansal
Thansal - Eternaly_lost

Yet to vote:

Xentor
NightStalker
doomchica
Kassinger
Ana

*yawn*... Ok... Yeah, posting at 4am doesn't work too well... Obviously I meant to vote for Isamil, so let's get it right this time....

Interesting you should bring that up, TheFeniX. We have played one game here previously where we searched for clues (last game we were only searching for items, not clues to piece together). During that game, everyone knew where everyone else was (it was shown on the map). This meant that after the second night, enough information had been exchanged that a list of the rooms with clues was posted in the thread (by a player, not by the host). At that point, the wolf network was still larger than the seer network (led by me), so the fact that the seer network got all of the clues first was a bit of luck.

Also, another interesting thing that happened in that game. doomchica posted a movement plan that was supposed to be a point of discussion (people were supposed to argue that it wasn't fair for them, etc.), but instead it just ended up being nice and helpful for the seer network, and people only brought up complaints after the clues had been put together to obtain the artifact.

So now we have a seer network of 2 people (maybe) and a wolf network of 3 or 4 people (I would guess 4). From my thinking, the more information that is out there, the faster everyone can work toward finding the clues, which means the wolves get a chance to find it before the seer network is large enough to have a chance.

This rambling was mostly to help me put my own thoughts together, but basically I think we should NOT share with everyone else which rooms have stuff.

Vote count:

Eternaly_lost (2) - TheFeniX, Isamil
Ana (1) - im_lost
Nightstalker (1) - Petco
Petco (1) - Faskalia
im_lost (1) - Soulrider
doomchica (1) - Thansal
Thansal (1) - Eternaly_lost
Isamil (1) - Xentor

Yet to vote:

Nightstalker
doomchica
Kassinger
Ana

I agree with im_losts logic to a degree, but it has it's good points and it's bad points.

Bad - If we share the information, it won't take long for the wolves to piece together everything and with 4 wolves, they will be able to cover the ground and piece it together much quicker.

BUT

If the humans spread the word quickly enough, before the wolves get the chance to act we will have all the neccesary clues and items, thus will have the advantage.

So i am torn between the 2 options.

The thing that concerns me slightly, is that last time this sort of mini game was played im_lost, you were a direct beneficiary, and thus it produced a human win, from an almost certain wolf one.

So why is it bad this time if it worked so well before? Maybe it would only be bad this time because of the advantage it would give to the humans, and you wouldn't want that huh??

Bits of luck from last time that aided the humans:
1. Comprox got two free clues out of other people (getting a clue without giving one); one of those free clues came from a wolf even (apparently they had a pregame agreement)
2. Nobody questioned doomchica's movement plan, which allowed her to drop into a room with a clue and claim it unchallenged and made it easier for me and Comprox to get clues.
3. GrayDuck decided to trust me because she misunderstood something about the game mechanics (something about me hosting the previous game, so I couldn't be a wolf in that game).
4. I found the guardian night 2 (Comprox), he trusted me, and at that point I couldn't be killed at night. This also led to a failed wolfing one night.

Clues will most likely be exchanged within the seer network, and they will definitely be exchanged by the wolves. The longer it takes for clues to be gathered, the larger the seer network is. Do you want to hope for the type of luck that occurred in that game?

I fail to see how luck would play a part in it.

There are currently 13 players in this game.

If everyone shares information (not all just some) then in 2 consecutive rounds each claim can be verified, and thus if the wolves lie, they will be found out.

That gives us the whole map in 1 round, and the confirmations after 3 rounds, with a few extra here and there. We have 9 humans sharing info and 4 wolves. How can the wolves possibly get all the info before the humans?

If you believe in information sharing PM me if you have found anything. I don't want to know where you found it or what you found, just IF you have found anything.

This at least can give us some information about how many of the 7 clues etc have been found.

This will not aid the wolves, as no-one will know where anyone is, nor where they have been. No names will be published, so there is no threat of attack from the wolves, apart from to me of course, but then, would they go for me now while i'm standing out from the crowd? A bit of a loud mouth, do they silence me now, or let me speak??

Of course, if you are a wolf, you could be trying to find a good person to kill tonight. I'm not saying that's the case, but it's a possibility.

Addendum:

1) Knowing that someone has a clue seems to be pretty useless, unless you plan to try to get the clue from them somehow or to kill them because they have the clue.

2) Knowing where a clue is lets you more quickly find the clues.

3) Knowing the clues obviously gets you closer to getting the prize.

So, the first bit is what Soul Rider is asking for. What good is it to let someone else know that you found something? If they aren't planning on killing you for it, it's useless unless you plan to move on to the second or third part. I think I've explained how 2 and 3 are advantageous to the wolves, and how it was luck that made it not work out that way when I benefited from knowledge exchange before.

mkay, well I am back, and will be on IRC once I get to work (though probably patchily).

I don't really know if clue sharing (and/or what type of clue sharing) is best, I will think on it and post it up latter today.

However, I will toss in one last thign that im_lost left out.

If I remember correctly, the wolves had the answer to the puzzle the same night the humans did.

But by not sharing the clues the wolves are GUARANTEED to solve it before the humans. The only people who would be anti sharing would be wolves, because they have a team of 4 searching for the clues. Humans that are not networked will have no-one to share info with. Thus not sharing information only benefits the wolves.

Once we know all the clues have been found, then we can go onto sharing the further information about the content and the locations, but to re-iterate, non sharing only benefits the wolves, and the more you argue against sharing the more suspicious of you I become.

Or am I really not making my point clear enough about how the wolves are guaranteed to get all the clues before the humans can?

Surely you can see the detriment by not sharing?

Interesting argument... You've managed to imply that:

"Not giving information to Soul Rider" = Wolf

Now the only question is your motivation... Since if you're a wolf, that entire plan becomes one big trap to get the wolves the artifact, and if you're a human, you're just setting yourself up as a wolfing target, probably banking on a guardian save.

im_lost - 5 Posts - Entered in discussion
Isamil - 3 Posts - Vote posts and tallies.
Petco - 2 Posts - Vote reply to my issue with IRC
TheFeniX - 2 Posts - Vote Post and Coming up with ideas
Faskalia - 2 Posts - Vote post and correction post
Soul_Rider - 6 Posts - Entered in Discussions
Xentor - 2 Posts - vote post and general post
eternaly_lost - 1 Post - Vote post
Thansal - 2 Posts - Vote post and entered in discussion.

Not posted

Nightstalker
doomchica
kassinger
Ana

All in all not a great deal to go on. Would like to see more input from players about the discussions going on. Looking at this we need to get some real discussions up and going.

Chances that there are wolves who have not yet posted? or do we think all 3/4 wolves have already posted?

Come on guys, spark some debate please.



No I indicate a non-willingness to share information = wolves getting the artifact first.

It doesn't have to be shared with me, we could nominate a central figure that everyone agrees on.

I am purely stating that not sharing info will guarantee the wolves get the artifact, nothing more and nothing less. I am purely trying to get this game moving as I am getting very bored...

If you can prove to me that not sharing the information will not guarantee the wolves get the artifact first, I will be happy to listen to your arguement, after all we need discussion to move this game along.

If no-one talks, no-one can slip up, and the wolves can win. Get speaking guys.

Well, I'm sure you know by now that demanding more activity only encourages hostility... But hey, that's the fun part, right? Now here's what bugs me...







Anyone see anything interesting here? These are three quotes from Soul Rider... Bleh, late for work, so I'll make this quick. You seemed quite sure about there being four wolves until your most recent post. If you said three, or even two, I'd think it a simple mistake, since this game was originally (At initial start) going to have two with an optional third... But the only way to have four is to have noted the rule change (Hence, be observant and knowledgeable) and make the blind assumption that the wolves chose the conversion power.

So either you made that assumption without qualifying it with "up to four", you're the psychic trying to subtly tell us that there are four left (Which I'm leaning against once you posted that third quote), or you're a wolf who obviously knows the exact number and composition of the wolf team...

So, here's the spotlight, Soul Rider... Let's hear your side.

(P.S. Don't bother contacting me on IRC during the day, as I don't have it at work -- Forum PMs are fine)

so, here are some thoughts.

The wolves WILL get the artifact if there is 0 sharing.

If the Seer builds up a network quickly, then they can share amongst them selfs and possibly get the artifact.

If there is some sort of global sharing, then either we can:

1) Find a wolf via lies

2) just about every one has a good chance at getting the artifact.

I guess that some sort of global sharing would help us the most, but I really am not sure.
Btw, the danger on global sharing is that wolves COULD still get away with a lie and come out ahead.




Also, on what Xentor was talking about:
We DON'T know how many wolves there are (except for them and the psychic). Of the 4 wolf powers conversion does sorta jump out, after all, we know that the smaller the ration on Human:wolf, the better it is for wolves. And the other powers are kinda iffy.
Befuddled minds is completely hit/miss, 2 chances to block some one. Unless they KNOW ahead of time, it is kinda pointless and a big gamble.
Transparent Minds actually looks rather good. 4 shots to find seer/psychic. That is rather powerful, not as sure a bet as conversion, but a decent idea.
Blood Lust Howl seems kinda silly. Much like Befuddled minds the wolves need to know they are blocking something useful (probably a guardian save).

That being said I think that the wolves probably did take conversion, it is the surest bet for them.
Now, for my normal numbers game:
Assuming Conversion we stand at 8-4. In 2 days and 2 night it will be 4-4, wolf win.
We can extend that with either a guardian save or a wolf lynch. (1 buys a new day, 2 buys a new night)
They (or we) can't shorten it with a human kill with the Mayor, though it effectively negates a wolf kill/guardian save..

W/O conversion we stand at 9-3. That is in 3 days and 3 nights it will be 3-3, wolf win.
We can extend that with either a guardian save or a wolf lynch. (1 buys a new day, 2 buys a new night)
They (or we) can't shorten it with a human kill with the Mayor, though it effectively negates a wolf kill/guardian save.

double check my numbers if you want, I think they are right.

oh, and for ###### and giggles:

Eternaly_lost (2) - TheFeniX, Isamil
Ana (1) - im_lost
Nightstalker (1) - Petco
Petco (1) - Faskalia
im_lost (1) - Soulrider
doomchica (1) - Thansal
Thansal (1) - Eternaly_lost
Soulrider (1) - Xentor

Yet to vote:

Nightstalker
doomchica
Kassinger
Ana

I PMed this to another player just to kind of get some input, but then I thought about Thansal's post and realized we need to make the most of this lynching. So basically, I'm thinking about the person with the most "strikes" against them. There's something that just doesn't sit right with me. Whereas I may not have the experience most other players do, I've read almost all the other TWGs. I've picked up on a few things.

I'm going to lay this out there. It may backfire on me, but it's a risk I'm willing to take.

Eternaly_lost has 2 votes against him, but I'm thinking my random vote wasn't so random. Since his "random" voting post, he's been quiet in this thread. Now, I may just be a "noob" but being the for-runner for a lynching (however slight the lead is) would have me worried about getting "bandwagoned" into a lynch. And most people attribute silence to wolf-like activities.

It's not like he hasn't been active. But all his activity seems to be based around trying to get clues and other information out of other people through IRC. In fact, whereas I proposed a limited form of clue information, E_Lost took the time in IRC to PM me about a "clue swap." From the guy who got me into this game, I would have expected a little more help (other than "I could be a wolf, but it can't hurt to share info"). Asking for information like that isn't what I'd expect from E_Lost. I've gamed with the guy and he's always willing to find out if you need help and give you that help. Now, I'm not a baby or anything, but come on. Throw me a freakin' bone. It's just too "Back-alley dealings" for me to think this is how E_Lost operates when he's in it for the "Good guys."

And other than a few little comments here and there in IRC (which proves he HAS been around and is active), he's been completely silent.

I will grant that he could be playing it cool so as to not dredge up MORE suspicion. But with 2-3 more wolves out there (granting that he's a wolf) and the general random voting by humans on the first day, he could just be sitting back waiting till "closing time" to swing the vote onto someone else and get a human lynched.

Like I said, I might be new to this game, but I don't want to get played.

My vote stays Eternaly_Lost until he comes in here and builds some trust with the group. There's just too many warning bells for him. Whereas the rest of you guys seem to be going around in circles, E_lost's actions point in only one direction based on what I've seen.

bah, I thought there were 12 players, not 13. Need to not post when I am tired.

Numbers:

Assuming Conversion we stand at 9-4. In 3 days and 2 nights it will be 4-4, wolf win.
We can extend that with 2 saves/wolf kills (one only extends it to 3days/3nights).
They (or we) can shorten it with a human kill with the Mayor.

W/O conversion we stand at 10-3. That is in 4 days and 3 nights it will be 3-3, wolf win.
We can extend that with 2 saves/wolf kills (one only extends it to 3days/3nights).
They (or we) can shorten it with a human kill with the Mayor.

And you DIDN'T notice the rule change? Perhaps you were not in IRC when everyone came in telling us that as they had recruited new players there was now going to be 3 wolves. I'll let that one slide due to the fact you probably weren't in IRC, and the fact that as im_lost keeps saying "TWG is a commitment" therefore you need to commit to it, and i actually enjoy the game....



So there your argument falls down, if i knew the exact composition of the wolf team, and was in fact a wolf i would expect to see...

A - Continuity
B - a more thorough checking of what i'm doing to eliminate potential "flaws" in what i'm saying. By your reasoning anyone who makes a mistake is a wolf, whereas I think anyone who doesn't make a mistake is more likely to be a wolf.

My point is pretty clear, and this is the reason get a bit annoyed with myself during these types of games. by nature I like to make my prescence known, and therefore like to create a bit of furore around myself. This in turn doesn't go down too well in TWG... but hey, it's only a game...

Appended post....

what that was meant to say was...

And you DIDN'T notice the rule change? Perhaps you were not in IRC when everyone came in telling us that as they had recruited new players there was now going to be 3 wolves. I'll let that one slide due to the fact you probably weren't in IRC. I DO pay attention to some rules etc because i'm keen to get on with the game and as im_lost keeps saying "TWG is a commitment" therefore you need to commit to it, which means reading the rules etc and keeping up to date.

I'm not even sure that makes for correct grammatical reading, but what the hell..

I don't remember saying that, at least not multiple times... and I don't think you're mixing me up with someone else either. Not that I mind being misquoted in this case.

Damn again...

also



forgot to add that in earlier too...

I sent a PM to Xentor, but thought it would have been better to post it here. This is more to the point...

I entitled it Spotlight on Me.


Numbers of actual wolves could be 3 or 4, i'm damn sure if i was a wolf there would be 4 currently eating at the table, i took it as a given, it's not really an issue, all my issue is about is the above question.

Can anyone tell me the wolves will not get the artifact if humans don't share. No I don't think they can, hence why lets get sharing.

Simple equation:

No Sharing = Wolves get artifact = Humans do not get the artifact.
Sharing = Wolves MIGHT get the artifact = Humans MIGHT get the artifact.

Which situation do you want to happen?

You misunderstood me. When I pointed out that you noticed the rule change, I was eliminating the possibility that you just weren't aware of the starting number of wolves. Just a bit of deduction here.

So basically, your answer to my question is that you are/were assuming the wolves took the conversion option.



Having played both sides, I tend to agree, when it comes to major mistakes. It's the little ones that are tricky. If you were a wolf and had used the conversion option, you would know as a fact that there were four wolves, whereas we can take that as a worst-case scenario, but don't actually know if it's true. A wolf could easily make the mistake of just posting "four" in the midst of an unrelated argument/discussion.

Anyway, I'll keep my vote where it is for now, since I have nothing to go on yet.

Just a note:

Always assume the worst!

HAHAHAHAAHHAAH, sorry, but my wicked sense of humour took me off on a bit of a whimsy....







So when it comes to making major mistakes, if someone makes a major mistake they are human, but if they don't they are a wolf? Then my god, you are all wolves, lol, that wasn't in the rules?

So you are saying we lose time with a guardian save?

Correct would be 4 days and 4 nights.

Just to let people know NightStaker is having internets (yes internets ) problems. However he will be at my house tonight, so it should not matter much.

And yeah, I think the conservation is the strongest power. It eliminates one human and adds on wolf from the start of the game.

That one human could be a seer or another important role.

Compared to the other powers, the conversion is probably the best choice and least "risky".

The other powers require a bit of luck and knowledge, the wolves need to know who the seer is and who is what, it's silly if they wolves know the seer to not kill them unless it's a seer/guardian combo.

So basically, I highly doubt that the wolves will pick any other power than conversion.

nurr, yus, 4/4

/me waves at puzl

wow, my numbers are all wrong, as I am not actually THINKING before I post.

Please disregard everything before this, I will post up some proper ones latter.

unless some one else posts them

Also, in case you are wondering, here are all the powers again:



IMO, Wolf conversion is the best while Sixth Sense is probably the second best. The other powers require a bit of luck and knowledge. Transparent minds and beuffled minds are pretty silly IMO, I mean you must know who the roles of the players are to use them.

Bloodlust Howl may be useful but picking the right day to use is pretty hard for the wolves...

Mark of wolf is definitely the most likely choice of power for the wolves, the others aren't as good IMO.

Ok hello sorry im so late, my net decided to die for a few days, thank you thor, god of thunder and lightning

Okay so on the topic of the game...hmm i think im gonna withhold judgement for the time being, since i havent really had a huge chance to talk to people

So, here are what should be the correct numbers:

With conversion we are at 9-4.
We lose in 3 days/2 nights
If we kill a wolf we lose in 4 days/3 nights
If there is a save we lose in 3/3
Mayor can speed it up to 2/2 w/o a wolf kill or a guardian save.

W/O conversion we are at 10-3
We lose in 4/3
If we kill a wolf we lose in 5/4
with a save it is at 4/4
Mayor speeds it up to 3/3

and I still agree that the wolves picked conversion, though the others CAN be good, and thus I haven't ruled them out.

Ok I've been doing some sharing trying to piece together information such as where the clues are etc. I am posting a mpa now of all the people we currently know of, and the room they searched. This is a little limited, but shows you what can be achieved....

I also have a certain amount of knowledge about the locations of clues and items, as do a few other people. Am i sure we have not told a wolf? no, but hey, that's half the fun. Please anyone else feel free to PM me or get me in IRC to discuss what you know that i don't....



(PS Sorry for destroying your lovely map work Theslan...)