But you do not get the item, until you get the PM, and we didn't get the PM's until daybreak, which means he was dead, before the items were found.

That is how it has worked in other games and seems to be how it is working in this one too, but it does need clarifying.

Ok then, looks like Xentor gets my vote since im_lost now has a vote.

Updated vote tally:

EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
Theslan (1) - EMP Demon
Soul_Rider (1) - Thansal
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
Xentor (1) - Caboose

Have no votes:

TheFeniX

So we have an entire set of random.org and "this person has no votes" votes. The only thing that stands out so far is Theslan's second vote on EMP Demon.

sorry ive been rather busy, anyways, in answer to these questions..

1.It is possible for there to be more than one item per room.
2. Items are unique, theres only one of each
3. The bomb is considered an item, it is carryable, but not for long, as in the bomb description in the pregame/signups thread. you can carry it until it goes off, however, only I know when it will go ff so it may be in your best interest to get rid of it. However, you may have time to plant it or move it if you wish.
4. ammunition can only be used once since theres only one of it. and yes if you have the mp5 and ammunition you could effectively erase 2 votes.
5. After some consideration, if a person is in the same room and they want to swap items, thats fine, I need to know if you do that though, send me a pm. If I dont get a pm, then I will consider the weapon/item swap as never having happened, and will go from there.
6. Based on the order I send pm's then yes he could have picked up an item, but since he died, if he did have an item it would have been dropped where he died.

oh.

######.

See, none of us really knew how the bomb was working, we all thought it would go off the night after it was planted. (or at least I did).

so, if some one has the defusal kit, it stops ALL effects of the bomb, right? (as in, no one dies).





Any one got that Kit? and what room are you in?

This might be why:



Seems it's changed since then, though.

The only thing that changed is that the timer does not stop when you pick it up, witch means that you should drop it and run away as fast as possable, unless you have the kit. The wolfs might try to move it to a group of humans, but they risk killing them selfs, and with everyone spread out, there would be at most 2 people to die to it.

I suggest that we stay spread out so that the bomb can not kill more then 2 in the worse case, and more likely 1 or 0 people.

As far as I can tell at the moment this game is going nowhere, so I thought i'd just have a mad ramble to myself in a forum post, in case it brings up anything interesting, either spotted by me, or some of you eagle-eyed guys out there.

Experienced Players:

Oddly enough, even though pre-restart the wolf numbers were changed due to a high number of inexperienced wolves, the overall experience level in this game is high:

Looking at the most obvious starting point (Gwahir the first victim) we find:

Played: 5
Won: 1
MVP: 0
Role: 0
Wolf: 3
Host: 0

An experienced player and wolf. Not likely to have given anything away as aware how wolves work. Probably just an experienced kill.

Players left in game number order:

EMP Demon

Played: 7
Won: 1
MVP: 0
Role: 2
Wolf: 2
Host: 3

A very experienced player, but never seems to survive, I know that feeling.... Also a very experienced host.

Eternally_Lost

Played: 6
Won: 1
MVP: 2
Role: 1
Wolf: 3
Host: 1

Another experienced player, but has died very quickly in quite a few games, so role experience is neglible. 2 MVP's to his name show how good he can be.

Thansal

Played: 6
Won: 3
MVP: 1
Role: 1
Wolf: 3
Host: 0

Another experienced player and I think possibly the record wolf winner? Anyway, good player..

locallyunscene

I believe it's his first game? Unless he has played before under another name?

Caboose

Also a first timer I believe?

Xentor

Played: 11
Won: 4
MVP: 0
Role: 1
Wolf: 2
Host: 0
(Note in 3 games he lost without dying as he was outnumbered, but he would have died, so does not count as win)

Well, you gotta admire the guys staying power, in most games he played, except for the 2 wolf games and a couple of others, he was alive at the end of the game, even though dead as outnumbered in 3 games. That's an amazing performance really in these games. Also, we made our debut together in TWG V: Aquarium..

Soul Rider

Played: 4
Won: 1
MVP: 1
Role: 2
Wolf: 0
Host: 0

I've played 4 games, and had 2 roles.... but, the last 2 games I died night 1, and one of those was as a role. 1st game ever, TWG V: I was also a role and told a wolf on day one I was the psychic!!! but my second game got me my MVP (though to be fair, if they knew how much I had been guessing and leading people on they would have known it was more luck than anything else, particuarly after the bad luck on the wolves part after they misinterpreted the clue, I would have died and would have been another wolf win for Eternally_Lost and Thansal!

Theslan

Played: 6
Won: 1
MVP: 1
Role: 1
Wolf: 1
Host: 2

Another experienced player and host, and someone else who isn't too fond of living, only surving the one game as well..

im_lost

Played: 14
Won: 3
MVP: 2
Role: 4
Wolf: 3
Host: 1

Another experienced player who loves to die reasonably early in the game. He also played a wizard in one game, which i have included under a role, as that was the only other special role in that game.

The_FeniX

Played: 3
Won:
MVP:
Role: 1
Wolf:
Host:

Alive but outnumbered in one game. One of the newer experienced players.

Ok so what is the point of all this....

Well first of all this is to try and find reasons into Gwahirs death.

He is certainly an experienced player, but only what you would consider average experience, when you look at everyone else playing. Aside: It's really good to see the mix of playing levels across the game, particuarly with 2 new, hopefully, regulars, it looks like we might survive for a bit longer, but it also means that there is no longer a guaranteed wolf hit, "because He's Experienced" There are too many experienced players to do that now, so it tends to mean there will be a slightly less randomisation to the killings, although night one killing is always pretty much a random thing, no-one really frees up too much information on the first night.

the downside is that with so many experienced players, it makes getting pulled into networks that much more difficult.. because there are more good players to choose from.

I haven't really spoken to anyone about the game, I've been collecting the information for the chart, but not a lot else has come my way. I'm in that between networks game which can be very quiet and boring, and being in a different timezone to all of you doesn't help that much.

I'm wanting to make suspicions about people, but I have had no more than about 5 mins conversation with anyone, so it really is nothing to go on. So far I have 7 possible wolves, and they are all the people I have spoken to!!

I don't think there is any player really close to Gwahir? You know real life friends or close online buddies who may find it hard to conceal they are a wolf from him so bumped him off? I don't think there are, so that means to me it was either random or he slipped up. More likely, as it was only night one and he is an experienced player, i'd go for the random kill.

Which leaves us precisely no further on than we were..

Well, even if it causes a bit of conversation it will be good for something.

If anyone wants to expand their bits with their views on themselves through their experience, as I have, that would be cool, we could all get to see how the other players feel about how they've played throughout their TWG history..

I believe im_lost once told me he felt people believed him to be a better player than he actually felt he was. So was getting a bit fed uop with being wolfed all the time, although I may be wrong..

But it would be nice to see how otjher people feel about it anyway..

Well, I will say that it is nice to now have a number of experienced players as it means that im lost and company are less likely to just get wolfed off the bat. At this point all of the people you pointed out really are experienced, we have had a number of wolf wins, and some really impressive playing all around.

admitedly, with im lost NOT being wolfed, he obviously is a wolf, except that the wolves just want us to THINK that and then lynch him quickly! (expect that is just what they WANT us to think!)

I admit I am kinda curious about what people think about ELost and my self (and NSer, though he is not in this game). We have all been involved in some good wolf games, including 2 of them that involved fake networking.


As for this game itself, I expect the wolves to just keep a low profile (works best in a small wolf game). If one of them finds the bomb, they will probably just clear out of the area.



So, for the map, the bomb and some needed info.
So, each room has 4 areas, NW, NE, SE, SW.
The bomb can be in any corner.
We can be in any corner.
I seem to understand that the bomb will detonate in a square pattern, taking out anyone that is one set away from it
EX:
So, let us say the bomb is planted in room 1, SE corner. When it goes, will EVERYONE in room 1, those people on the West side of room 2, those one the North side of room 4, and any one in the NW corner of room 5, will all die. Right?
Or would the diagonal to room 5 not count?
Or is it EVERYONE in rooms 1, 2, 4, and 5?

What about the hallways? I assume they do not count as rooms, simply connections between Rooms 3&8 and rooms 5&10.
So a bomb in the west side of 10 will get people in 5. and the South side of 8 will get people in 3.

It seems like the safest places to be in the game are the corners where you don't connect to any rooms (1NW, 4SW, 3SE, 7NW/E, 9SE, 6NW), as those spots would require the bomb to be in the same room AS you to get you.

And then the defusal kit.
If the person with the kit is in the blast radius, the bomb just does nothing? or the person with the defusal kit lives, everyone else dies?

What I believe to be the truth, may not actually be so..

For any lurkers out there, and players who may have lost it, here is the link to the table I made to record player movement and searches.

TWG Room Searching Spreadsheet

Hope this opens up some new trains of thought for people, maybe, hopefully..

As regards moves for night 2, we have 2 options, pre-plan each move so we all know which room we are going to, or keep them hidden.

In My Humble Opinion....

Keep it hidden plays into the wolves hands of needing to stay out of the limelight.

If everyone shares then it makes it harder for the wolves to hide and they have to play more open, so more chance of mistakes.

That's my view.

Everyone please give your opinions..

Is there any reason we're waiting an extra day? Day 1 was orig supposed to end tonight IIRC. Everyone's voted so I'm wondering what's the hold up. I'll probably move to room 6.

the problem with cutting it short a day is that people might not KNOW that it would now end tonight instead of tomorrow, and thus would not be around to worry about vote jumping and various other shenanigans (for instance, as it stands EMP is boned for no good reason).

adendum:
I am all for shortening the day/night cycle, especially early on in the game as there is not MUCH to talk about.

Aside from locally wanting to lynch EMP obviously

Ya know, because of the long day, I think this is the most conversation we've ever had on day one...

So, to comment on the various points...

As to my experience, I've only been really "involved" in a few games... Most of the time, I'm completely in the dark, which is why I tend to survive. I think the only role I had was psychic once, and apart from getting your message out, there's not much for the psychic to do.

So, to pre-planning movements...

I don't think assigning rooms is a good idea, for two reasons. First, the wolves can just follow orders and not worry about rousing suspicion. Second, the one making the plan could always be a wolf, trying to maximize the number of items they get.

But just letting everyone know where you're going beforehand (And picking an empty room)... Well, that's a bit wiser, in my opinion.

okay i know that rule changes appear to be the cornerstone of this game but i have one more clarification. The bomb has a set timer, so if you pick it up, its kinda like russian hot potato. You can hold onto it as long as it doesnt go off, but you don't know when its going to blow, so you may not want to chance it. Anyways. lets use your scenario and break it down piece by piece. Scenario:

bomb is planted in room 1, SE corner. When it goes, will EVERYONE in room 1, those people on the West side of room 2, those one the North side of room 4, and any one in the NW corner of room 5, will all die. Right?
Or would the diagonal to room 5 not count?
Or is it EVERYONE in rooms 1, 2, 4, and 5?

Okay everyone in room 1 dies (obviously, youre in the same room >< doh!!!) people in the SW corner of room 2, the NE corner of room 4, and the NW corner of room 5 will die. The square pattern only affects the adjacent corner of the surround rooms.The defusal kit does 2 things. 1, its basically a shield against the bomb, so no matter where you are, you don't die from the bomb. 2, it allows you to carry the bomb as long as you want, so if you have the defusal kit and the bomb, effectively, you control the bomb. However, when you plant it, a 2 day timer starts, since when you defused it thats what the numbers came out to be. if someone else picks up the bomb, that 2 day timer is still going and it will blow up when it ends. killing everyone in the corresponding vicinity.

Anything else?


ooo another note!!!!

NOTE: There is an 96% chance you will find the bomb when you search a room. Just because you didn't find it doesnt mean it isnt there.

If someone does plant the bomb for two days, the game's probably gonna be near over by the time it actually does go off...

http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index....p;#entry1529658 says otherwise.

I had a nice post typed up in response to some of the things Soul Rider said, but then I ended up leaving, and then I had issues that led to me restarting my computer (something about having resource-hogging programs open for long periods of time and going over a month without restarting the computer, I imagine). Something along the lines of the fact that I really don't think I'm that great at this game, I've just been around forever. Both as seer and as psychic I managed to tell a wolf my role (calculated risk as invincible seer, full PM inbox for the recipient when I was psychic). I haven't actually initiated any networks in any of these games. The games where I've survived were as a clueless human, an invincible seer, and a wolf in a game where activity was so low that I blended right in by doing nothing.

I think it will be really funny when the bomb goes off and kills exactly one person, accompanied by the wolves missing their kill due to there only being a 99.9% chance of success.

Is it just me, or is today's voting going to end up being completely useless?

Correct info for me.

Name: Eternaly_Lost
Played: 6 Games / Hosted 1 game ( not including this one. )
MVP 2.5 ( 2 full MVPS and one honourable mention.
Human ( No powers ): 2 over the course of 2 games.
Role: Total 3 over the course of 2 games.
Wolf: Total 4 over the course of 3 games.
Host: 1

yea, I got wolf 4 times, in one of those games we reset however.

Okay vote count so far

EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
Theslan (1) - EMP Demon
Soul_Rider (1) - Thansal
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
Xentor (1) - Caboose

No Votes:

TheFeniX

If you don't want to lynch EMP you should move your vote

I only asked because I thought the post orig said Thursday. Moot point now anyway. I'm all for shorter cycles.

I could say I was joking about the Thansal/Theslan mixup I just did but I'm just dumb.

buahahahaha!

it strikes again!


/me contemplates switching his avatar with Theslan again


So yah. This is actually kind of interesting. First day 1 where we really have had very little activity vote wise.

everyone placed one vote, no switches, nothing yet.

I mean, Thes sorta looks suspicious by being the only one to place a 2nd vote, but tbh, by now we normally have a few people with 2 votes.I am almost tempted to try and convince Thes to switch his vote to fenix and just let random.org decide it, however I know that either ELost or my self will get lynched, as random.org hates us.


honestly, I dono

ok, gona toss a few more things out there:

1) I am going to be unavailable from about 4-8 EST (yay for having at least 1 hr to fiddle around before the deadline)

2) If we are not at a 10 way tie by when I get home tonight (about 8ish) I will place a second vote on some one (assuming Soul still only has 1 vote).

3) I am a refresh monkey and plan on being up till 10 EST and will try and vote up anyone that does last min vote changes.




Question for NSer:
2200 EST.

forum time? or somethign else? (remember, forum clock is off by a good bit)

ok, forum clock is still 15 mins early.

Willing to be that it will be real time or US Military time. ( those are very close )

they are actually the same

I just want a deceleration of intent to use real time or forum clock.

Yea so some thing interesting happened in IRC.



Granted after this we got into a fight with a Ninja vs a team of Monkey Pirate Ninjas( I think I won that one with a Treasure chest of Bananas )

"Are you lying?"
"Yes!"





nuff said

Ah, but a wolf would lie, so a Lying wolf would say that he is a wolf.

I'm not well versed in TWG, but is there any reason at all to admit to being a wolf? I'm going to check the IRC logs when I get home.

Only when the wolfs have a competer to win ( such as mafia ).

So in this game not at all.

Not in any game that's remotely standard. If there were werewolves and mafia, then it might be reasonable to find some justification... maybe. Anyone saying "I'm a wolf" or "I'm a human" as an announcement to everyone just gets ignored anyway.

I see that E_Lost beat me to it, I'm going to post this anyway.

Post++

Anyway, something intresting, despite being on IRC quite a bit, TheFenix only has 1 post in this thread, as a vote for someone.

Any reason why Fenix?

You missed it!

Just so Fenix knows, we have post after post of Game Mechanics, because it the safest way to talk about the game, without risking much. Wolfs and Roles both like this, because it is no risk to them, at a gain of not be lynched for being inactive. Normal humans it more a pain for because they don't have much to talk about, nor any other source of info.

Yes, all the machanics talk is generally by wolves and human roles, making sure they've got everything right before commiting themselves, or people with special objects. If you don't fall into one of these categories you get very bored and type up pages of random nonsense....

Like me

Seeing as how I have no wish to die this early in the game, I'm moving my vote to Soul_Rider as my last resort.

If we somehow go back to a multi-way-tie situation, I'll gladly move to someone without a vote, but it's staying there for now.

/me goes back to page 4 for the previous vote count

Votes

EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
Soul_Rider (2) - Thansal, EMP Demon
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
Xentor (1) - Caboose

No Votes:

TheFeniX, Theslan

EMPDemon You need to talk to me.

Votes

EMP Demon (3) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan
Soul_Rider (2) - Thansal, EMP Demon
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Thansal (1) - Soul_Rider
Xentor (1) - Caboose

Bugger it..

Votes

EMP Demon (3) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan, Soul_Rider
Soul_Rider (2) - Thansal, EMP Demon
Eternaly_lost (1) - locallyunscene
Caboose (1) - im_lost
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Xentor (1) - Caboose

Okay, after speaking to EMPDemon for a bit, i have decided just to make it a 3way tie. There doesn't seem to be any reason to lynch him, I don't want to die either, so I'm going to spread the vote.

I have gone for my old trusty friend Eternaly_lost as a balancer, as he already has a vote on empdemon, so he has a vested interest, (also makes this damn tally easier to edit.)..

Votes

EMP Demon (2) - Eternaly_lost, Theslan,
Soul_Rider (2) - Thansal, EMP Demon
Eternaly_lost (2) - locallyunscene, Soul_Rider
Caboose (1) - im_lost
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Xentor (1) - Caboose

And knowing how much random.org hate me, I move my vote to Soul_Rider.

Soul_Rider (3) - Thansal, EMP Demon , Eternaly_lost
Eternaly_lost (2) - locallyunscene, Soul_Rider
EMP Demon (1) -Theslan
Caboose (1) - im_lost
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Xentor (1) - Caboose

Not so fast, Eternaly_Lost!

TheFeniX for the tie.

Soul_Rider (2) - Thansal, Eternaly_lost
Eternaly_lost (2) - locallyunscene, Soul_Rider
EMP Demon (1) -Theslan
Caboose (1) - im_lost
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Xentor (1) - Caboose
TheFeniX (1) - EMP Demon

We have a new Challenger! I move my vote to soulrider

Soul_Rider (3) - Thansal, Eternaly_lost, locallyunscene
Eternaly_lost (1) - Soul_Rider
EMP Demon (1) -Theslan
Caboose (1) - im_lost
locallyunscene (1) - Xentor
im_lost (1) - TheFeniX
Xentor (1) - Caboose
TheFeniX (1) - EMP Demon

Just so there's no confusion that's Soul_Rider

You don't have to type someone's name perfectly, as long as you make it bold (that part is essential) and it's clear who you're voting for (hard to screw up, unless you decide to vote for Lost or Thenslan).

ummm
wth mate?

locallyunscene
I see no reason to lynch him atm.

if reasons are given, lynch away, but until then.

oh, and because people might have missed it before

Here is a link to my spreadsheet of votes:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pK3...L58esBTmCMTz6Yw